Evidence of Concioussness existing without the brain part 2

[TheTruth101]

The explanation was given to me by Micatala (Moderator)as to why this thread was closed.
http://debatingchristianity.com/forum/v ... hp?t=22209.
(new viewers please refer to this thread to understand the foundation of THIS thread)

Anyway, the reason was, the thread was getting derailed and was starting to get uncivil due to Atheists. Therefore, it is understood by me that the ideas expressed (with backup sources) wasnt the problem, but rather, the tone and the uncival manners expressed by the Atheists. This gives me no reason not to put up another thread as a part 2 of the prior thread that has been locked.

Anyway, the thread goes on.

A Eukoroyotic cell have a DNA (traits/imbedded character) and can be interwined with a plant, an animal, and a human being as well. It is clearly noted here again, that if a single cell (eukoroytic) can be intermixed with all three lifeforms, then it is reasonable to believe that all do possess a chracter trait of another (by evident of a DNA being available to eukoroyitic cell) , and if only the *cells* were to be seen as the grounder for humankind and all lifeforms, in which they are, again, the preachment of ONENESS by Jesus Christ can be referenced and met, again.

Following is a clear picture of all life forms existing within a Eukoroytic cell.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eukaryote


With the question of animals having "souls" is clearly seen as a true statement spoken within the Bible. Under the Bible, it is said in revelations that an ox, a lion etc. are seen to worship the lamb, Jesus Christ with a vocal comprehention that equals that of human beings. (meaning they can write /talk just like human beings, complexity etc.)

With every animal carrying a fight or flight response, it is reasonable to belive that an animal do have morals, and any life form that has a moral sytem, deserves an eternity. It is also clearly stated within the Bible as well.

Under the Apostles Creed, it states

As done on earth as in heavens..

It is clearly noted here that everything there is to earth, there is to heavens and vice versa.
Another a critical parable of the heavens spoken by Christ,

Lo' here Lo' there, but the Kingdom of God is within you and all around you.

So again, this statement of Jesus Christ is speaking of heavens, and he clearly expresses that everything in the heavens, there is to earth as well.

If one were to hold this concept, that if heavens is just like earth, then the next question is, what is really the point of having faith and trying to get into heavens by giving up your time and energy?

Will post later.

[TheTruth101]

If one were to hold this concept, that if heavens is just like earth, then the next question is, what is really the point of having faith and trying to get into heavens by giving up your time and energy?

Continuing on,


As quoted above, the heavens is just like earth as Christ and the Apostles creed said.

With this being in topic, before we get to "heavens" lets look back on whats been said and agreed with by all.

1. Cells (Eukorotic cells) is within all beings (humans, animals, plants), therefore, it can be said that since an Eukoritic cells do carry a DNA, that all have a trait of one another since eukoriyitic cells get passed from one object to another within all life forms.

2. Ainmals have "souls" since they have a sense of moral. (Fight and flight response).

3. Christ preached of ONENESS

4. Cells do have a "conciousness" on its own because a set of behavior of any sort sygnifies that it is aware of its sorrounding. And cells that have DNA is establishing self memory as well as self drive, and "drive" equals morals, therefore concluding to concoussness on its own.


Now, with heavens, with keeping in mind that CELLS are the living foundation of all life forms on this planet, we move deeper into the subject and is now going to engage in talks of behavior of energy

With energy and Logically speaking, before the material, like chair we're sitting on it is made with invisible energy that creates the material.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy

First, even BEFORE a given "cell", there is an energy that creates the cell, and before the behavior of a single cell, there is the energy that "sparks" the cell to behave.
This is the same concept as my "cell" concept, however, noticing that Atheists are of the visible, I used "cells" to create an example that all do come from one another. Now that they are aware, we will go staright to the core of it.

First, the laws of thermodynamics states that an energy can neither be created nor destroyed completely.
http://www.holon.se/folke/kurs/Distans/ ... /LOT.shtml

Putting thermodynamics under referenece, think of the hiroshima nuke bombing, the buildings that were destroyed due to the bomb was a higher mix of energy waving off the lower mix of energy. We think the buildings and such were destroyed, but they are not, you still have debris and leftover bricks and such and that debris and etc are energy as well. The point is, energy always circulates. Easiest way to understand is the different chains of energy eats the other chain of energy and back and forth, but the source of energy can't dimish, which we call the eternal one, God.

If under the law of thermodynamics, and keeping in mind that before the physical that we see, it is created by an invisible energy, and the energy circulates back and forth,

If a bomb that held (x) amount of eneregy, that destroyed a house (lower energy) INSTANTLY, it is reasoable to belive that since all energy is under rotation, a house (in this example) that was DESTROYED instantly can infact be MADE instantly if the energy pattern were reversed.




Will post later.

[alive]

As a Atheist Im glad you brought it up...It just helps are cause...The shear different types and complexety of a life forms is proof that there is no creator...The design in it self is a disater...Surely a much simpler form for souls would have been a easy deal... I use you and your post as 100% proof there is no god...

Thanks for the help..

[Star]

Where's the evidence consciousness can exist without the brain?

This just seems like more random rambling.

[otseng]

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[Justin108]

Random Rambling AGAIN??? Get the message dude. Everyone thinks your arguments are full of sh*t

[TheTruth101]

Random Rambling AGAIN??? Get the message dude. Everyone thinks your arguments are full of sh*t

Not really Justin108, largely due to the fact that there are really no question up for debate..

Oh well, will post later.

[TheTruth101]

Random Rambling AGAIN??? Get the message dude. Everyone thinks your arguments are full of sh*t

Not really Justin108, largely due to the fact that there are really no question up for debate..

Oh well, will post later.

[otseng]

Random Rambling AGAIN??? Get the message dude. Everyone thinks your arguments are full of sh*t

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