Why do people reject Christ?

[YahDough]

Let's hear some reasons for such behavior.

[dyanaprajna2011]

YahDough: people don't reject Jesus, Jesus rejects them.

Now, with that said, here's an answer to your question, although it's not going to be one you're looking for. Many people on this thread have given great answers to your OP, but you have shot down each one, for some unknown reason. You asked why people reject Christ, they have given you answers, and yet you have felt the need to deject each person. So, I have deciphered what you are really asking: you're wanting people to say the reason they reject Christ is because they don't want to get rid of their supposed "immorality" and because they don't want to stand before God on judgement day.

You set up straw men arguments and use special pleading to try to make yourself out to be the only right person on this thread. The fact is, is that there is absolutely no objective evidence to prove anything in Christian dogma. Furthermore, there are so many errors and inconsistencies in the Bible, that it's basically unintelligible, and nearly possible to make heads or tails of it. I spent nearly 30 years as a Christian, and it was no different than anything else. But what is most important there, is that nothing changed. No answered prayers, no spiritual experiences, no change in anything. The metaphysical speculations of Christianity cannot compete with reality, especially considering Christianity is an attempt to deny reality in favor of it's fantasy world.

Now, anyone of any other religion can make the same claims about you that you have about us on this thread. As a Buddhist, I can just as easily say to you that you follow false teachings, you have been deceived, you are lost and on the wrong path, etc ad nauseum. The difference between me and you, however, is that I understand that religious beliefs are subjective with almost no supporting evidence, while you cannot face reality.

With all of that being said, the number one reason why most people reject Jesus and Christianity, and particularly those on this board, is because there is absolutely no evidence at all of the existence of God or Jesus, and that the Bible is basically a hodge-podge of disconnected stories of ancient man trying to make sense of the world without the use of reason and science. Until Christians can actually start presenting objective, empirical evidence that there's something about Christianity that is true or something to be admired, then people will continue to reject it, and rightly so.

[YahDough]

Unsubstantiated evidence, no supernatural events that can be verified, 2000 years of no return (even though the return was supposed to be very soon), I can refute the bible all day because I have read it 4 times and studied it on a collegiate level, and philosophically it is illogical.

That's interesting. Too bad the Holy Ghost wasn't helping you read.

1Cor:1:18: For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.

What's more likely here:
1) You're more gullible than us?
2) Or there is a Holy Ghost that helps people read?

Please keep in mind I still have the ability to speak in tongues. I have the gift of the Holy Spirit still, and I have studied the Bible for decades.

"1)" seems more likely to me.

The Holy Ghost comforts, teaches and helps people understand.
I think maybe you THINK you have Him.

Jesus doesn't stick around where He's not wanted, and the devil can counterfeit "tongues".

I'm guessing you just decided life was more fun without God watching over you. A lot of people leave Christ.

It's a very seductive world.

You're 0 for 2, but you just keep up your mental gymnastics and assume whatever it is you need to assume about me to make sense of your beliefs. Call me a sinner, an abominations, a (in the past) not a true Christian, a follower of Satan, or whatever unjustified statement you need to come up with in order for you to justify your beliefs and condemnation of others. Personally, I don't think Jesus would approve.

I am thankful that I am no longer bound to those mental gymnastic required in order to attempt to feel justified in holding the Christian beliefs. I am also thankful that I no longer have to consider atheists, Muslims, homosexuals, etc... my enemies. It's your bed though, you made it... you sleep in it.

I grew up in a tongue talking, drunk in the Holy Ghost Christian home. I went to private school, was a street evangelizer, left the country 4 times for missions trips (not including all the times I did not leave the country) and was a Jr. Youth Pastor that ran a evangelizing martial arts school out of the church. At no point in my life have I ever been angry with a god and I still live by my Christian upbringing (I just don't hold the belief part anymore). But you go right on demeaning the first 2 decades of my life if that is what you need to do to convince yourself that I never thought I had a relationship with Jesus or the Holy Ghost.

I'm not saying you never THOUGHT you had a relationship with Jesus and the Holy Ghost. It just appears you never took it to the sanctification level.

2Thes:2:13: But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:

[micatala]

Unsubstantiated evidence, no supernatural events that can be verified, 2000 years of no return (even though the return was supposed to be very soon), I can refute the bible all day because I have read it 4 times and studied it on a collegiate level, and philosophically it is illogical.

That's interesting. Too bad the Holy Ghost wasn't helping you read.

1Cor:1:18: For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.

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[Clownboat]

Unsubstantiated evidence, no supernatural events that can be verified, 2000 years of no return (even though the return was supposed to be very soon), I can refute the bible all day because I have read it 4 times and studied it on a collegiate level, and philosophically it is illogical.

That's interesting. Too bad the Holy Ghost wasn't helping you read.

1Cor:1:18: For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.

What's more likely here:
1) You're more gullible than us?
2) Or there is a Holy Ghost that helps people read?

Please keep in mind I still have the ability to speak in tongues. I have the gift of the Holy Spirit still, and I have studied the Bible for decades.

"1)" seems more likely to me.

The Holy Ghost comforts, teaches and helps people understand.
I think maybe you THINK you have Him.

Jesus doesn't stick around where He's not wanted, and the devil can counterfeit "tongues".

I'm guessing you just decided life was more fun without God watching over you. A lot of people leave Christ.

It's a very seductive world.

You're 0 for 2, but you just keep up your mental gymnastics and assume whatever it is you need to assume about me to make sense of your beliefs. Call me a sinner, an abominations, a (in the past) not a true Christian, a follower of Satan, or whatever unjustified statement you need to come up with in order for you to justify your beliefs and condemnation of others. Personally, I don't think Jesus would approve.

I am thankful that I am no longer bound to those mental gymnastic required in order to attempt to feel justified in holding the Christian beliefs. I am also thankful that I no longer have to consider atheists, Muslims, homosexuals, etc... my enemies. It's your bed though, you made it... you sleep in it.

I grew up in a tongue talking, drunk in the Holy Ghost Christian home. I went to private school, was a street evangelizer, left the country 4 times for missions trips (not including all the times I did not leave the country) and was a Jr. Youth Pastor that ran a evangelizing martial arts school out of the church. At no point in my life have I ever been angry with a god and I still live by my Christian upbringing (I just don't hold the belief part anymore). But you go right on demeaning the first 2 decades of my life if that is what you need to do to convince yourself that I never thought I had a relationship with Jesus or the Holy Ghost.

I'm not saying you never THOUGHT you had a relationship with Jesus and the Holy Ghost. It just appears you never took it to the sanctification level.

2Thes:2:13: But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:

Ya, I spoke/speak in tongues, street evangelized, went on missions trips, lead an evangelizing martial arts ministry, was involved in the praise and worship team, drama team, and was a Jr. Youth Pastor, but never took it to the sanctification level.


Like I said, this is your bed... you sleep in it. I did for far too long.

[YahDough]

I hope there will be (more) Christian believer responses to this question.

But I know it is hard to fully address the issue without preaching or appearing to be preaching.

Bummer

[southern cross]

I hope there will be (more) Christian believer responses to this question.

But I know it is hard to fully address the issue without preaching or appearing to be preaching.

Bummer

Now I personally would love to see this as well.
Why do Christians reject Christ.

[Tired of the Nonsense]

I hope there will be (more) Christian believer responses to this question.

But I know it is hard to fully address the issue without preaching or appearing to be preaching.

Bummer

micatala is merely admonishing you for not debating YarDough, and for confusing quoting from scripture with factual argument. We all have Bibles. We know what they say. Using the Bible as proof of the Bible is circular reasoning not debate and is not allowed on the forum. This is your chance to stand up for what you believe. You might start by addressing my post to you, #29 in this string. It was a very specific explanation for the rejection of the story of Jesus. If the original post was to long for you, then here is an abridged version:

"So let's make a "rational examination" of the story as it is presented to us. Jesus was executed sometime in the years 27-30 AD, according to the time frame established by the Gospels. Herod the Great died in 4 BC, so I will let you do the math. In 1Corinthians Paul boldly and very clearly proclaims that Jesus died, was buried and then returned to life again on the third day. Now pay close attention! 1Cor. was written by Paul in the city of Ephesus to the Christian church in Corinth around 55 AD (54-57). Jesus was executed circa 27-30 AD. 1 Corinthians represents the very first EVER record of the story of the resurrection of Jesus from the dead. In other words, for a quarter of a century or so after the time when Jesus was supposed to have been executed, there is not the slightest indication that anything special or unusual occurred. Christians claim, and fully ASSUME in their minds that the resurrected Jesus was seen by hundreds, and perhaps thousands, of awestruck people. But the truth is, there is NO FACTUAL INDICATION of any such general awestruck witnessing at the time the event was supposed to have occurred, or indeed for another quarter of a century! Around 55 AD Paul writes in his first letter to the Corinthians that Jesus arose from the dead and that the arisen Jesus was seen by "above five hundred brethren" on one particular occasion. (1Cor.15:6). Paul was not HIMSELF PRESENT to witness this event however. Paul never met the living Jesus, nor was Paul present for ANY of the events detailed in the Gospels. Paul's story is the one most often presented as proof positive that Jesus really did return from the dead. After all, 500 witnesses couldn't all be wrong. But an examination of the ACTUAL facts reveals that we don't have 500 eyewitnesses at all. We have A STORY of a preposterous claim, provided by an individual WHO WAS NOT HIMSELF PRESENT. There are in fact five total sources for the story of the resurrection of Jesus from the dead, ! Corinthians and the four Gospels. The Gospels would be written anonymously years later still."

Can you make a counter argument? And if you find that you cannot, then you have your answer to why people reject Christ.

[southern cross]

You accept Joseph Smith as a prophet of god after the last prophet Muhammad? That is an interesting concept. Would you care to explain?

I believe Christ Jesus was, is, and will be the Messiah. I am told "Messiah" means last prophet.

In the Hebrew Bible a messiah (or mashiach) is a king or High Priest traditionally anointed with holy anointing oil.[1] However, messiahs were not exclusively Jewish kings, as the Hebrew Bible refers to Cyrus the Great, king of Persia, as a messiah, for his decree to rebuild the Jerusalem Temple. The Jewish messiah is a leader anointed by God, physically descended from the Davidic line, who will rule the united tribes of Israel[2] and herald the Messianic Age

No mention of a prophet YD. Do you accept Muhammad as the last prophet of the one true god? Do you accept Joseph Smith as a prophet after the last prophet of the one true god?
Don't beat about the bush, just answer.
Thanks

[TheJoshAbideth]

Unsubstantiated evidence, no supernatural events that can be verified, 2000 years of no return (even though the return was supposed to be very soon), I can refute the bible all day because I have read it 4 times and studied it on a collegiate level, and philosophically it is illogical.

That's interesting. Too bad the Holy Ghost wasn't helping you read.

1Cor:1:18: For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.

Why would/ how could a figment of your imagination help someone read?

[YahDough]

Unsubstantiated evidence, no supernatural events that can be verified, 2000 years of no return (even though the return was supposed to be very soon), I can refute the bible all day because I have read it 4 times and studied it on a collegiate level, and philosophically it is illogical.

That's interesting. Too bad the Holy Ghost wasn't helping you read.

1Cor:1:18: For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.

Why would/ how could a figment of your imagination help someone read?

You will have to do what Peter says in this verse to find out, Josh.
Then you will be the "someone".

Acts:2:38: Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.