Let's say that a God does exist

Zetesis Apistia · Post by **Zetesis Apistia** » Sat Mar 09, 2013 6:16 am

This is not an argument for the existence of God. This is not a trick to say gotcha. Just curious as to your response. No levity please. Here is the scenario......

You die and all of the sudden you find your self still consciously aware in a spiritual dimension that is foreign to the world in which we live. You are suddenly apprehended by an angelic host and carted off to a courtroom of sorts....You are then seated before a judge (God). God then asks you to plead your case before he makes his decision on your eternal destiny. What would be your response?

Herndon · Post by **Herndon** » Mon Mar 11, 2013 1:20 pm

southern cross wrote:
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Herndon wrote: [Replying to post 41 by JoeyKnothead]

So you really think that God one day just got mad at us humans and created a hell for us to burn in? This is what you think concerning the God of the bible?
Do you mean to say he didn't?

Well that's an obvious answer: of course not! God didn't get mad at us and then creat hell, that's crazy.
So he created hell from the get go? Is that your claim? If not then when did he create it and for what reason? We know the purpose, apparently.
No one knows when he created hell, but most think he created hell when the devil and his angels fell. because after all that's who he created hell for in the first place.
There are many who claim he was banished to Earth to be it's ruler, you don't ascribe to this POV?
Who are the many because if it isn't in the bible then no.
On the otherhand hell was prepared for the devil is biblical.
And herin lies the problem for the non theist. Each and every theist has a different god, bible, belief and explanation. We can run around forever trying to catch you guys but you just pick another thing that you claim to believe. It is funny though. hahahahahahaha
So lets work with the one you currently claim, OK?
God created hell for satan, tick. God is omniscient (I hope) so god knew that when he created hell he was going to send the vast majority of mankind there (I hope). Then why did god create that vast majority? Is he EVIL?

His intentions was to send the devil to hell not humans. And yes he knew that man would one day go to hell and choose the path of satan. But that's why he created a way of escape for man. Satan sinned, God created hell as his judgment. Man sinned God sent Jesus to grant them a way of escape. God did his part, now man has to do his. God has given man everything pertaining to life and Godliness.God says to man choose death or life but id rather for you to choose life because i dont want you to end up like satan. God has over and over again given man warnings but man chooses not to listen. You think God is up in heaven rejoicing that man is going to hell? Do you blame God because man is going to hell? Is it his fault that man chooses not to listen?

Bust Nak · Post by **Bust Nak** » Mon Mar 11, 2013 1:29 pm

Zetesis Apistia wrote: You die and all of the sudden you find your self still consciously aware in a spiritual dimension that is foreign to the world in which we live. You are suddenly apprehended by an angelic host and carted off to a courtroom of sorts....You are then seated before a judge (God). God then asks you to plead your case before he makes his decision on your eternal destiny. What would be your response?

I would mention Ray Comfort, Ken Ham, Duane Gish, Michael Behe and William Dembski. There are no better defence the Creationism defence - I can't be held liable when there are people like them peaching Christianity.

Morphine · Post by **Morphine** » Mon Mar 11, 2013 1:32 pm

[Replying to post 71 by Herndon]

Don't you think it would have been much more efficient to simply eliminate both satan and hell? And while you're at it, how about not creating the forbidden fruit. I mean really, it served no purpose but to damn a few billion people to Hell...
Easy fix, no?

Herndon · Post by **Herndon** » Mon Mar 11, 2013 1:34 pm

[Replying to post 66 by southern cross]

Besides your idea that "the vastly majority of humans" is going to hell is false. Actually the vast majority of humans are going to heaven not hell.

Morphine · Post by **Morphine** » Mon Mar 11, 2013 1:41 pm

Herndon wrote: [Replying to post 66 by southern cross]

Besides your idea that "the vastly majority of humans" is going to hell is false. Actually the vast majority of humans are going to heaven not hell.

Luke 13:23-24 and 28, Then said one unto him, Lord, are there few that be saved? And he said unto them, Strive to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able ... There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when ye shall see Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, and all the prophets, in the kingdom of God, and you yourselves thrust out.

Herndon · Post by **Herndon** » Mon Mar 11, 2013 2:20 pm

Morphine wrote:
Herndon wrote: [Replying to post 66 by southern cross]

Besides your idea that "the vastly majority of humans" is going to hell is false. Actually the vast majority of humans are going to heaven not hell.
Luke 13:23-24 and 28, Then said one unto him, Lord, are there few that be saved? And he said unto them, Strive to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able ... There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when ye shall see Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, and all the prophets, in the kingdom of God, and you yourselves thrust out.

I want you to look at that entier scripture carefully and notice what he says." All ye workers of iniquity"27, in otherwords those who's chosen or has the capacity to wilfully sin and not repent.

Now when we understand how many humans who has repented over their sins and how many children who's died over the centurys from abortion, war, famine, and from accidents and natural causes the number is staggering. And to many to count.

There are many who has the capacity to choose that are going to hell.
But there are a staggering amount of humans who didnt have the capacity to choose and along with the millions that did choose the way of life that will be saved on the day of jugdment..

So yes I agree that out of the humans who has the capacity to choose,more humans are going to hell. But out of the human population in general who's ever existed there is a high prabability that more humans (joined by those who has the capacity and has chosen the right path, and those who lack the capacity to choose the right path and died)intotal are going to heaven.

Zetesis Apistia · Post by **Zetesis Apistia** » Mon Mar 11, 2013 2:23 pm

Bust Nak wrote:
Zetesis Apistia wrote: You die and all of the sudden you find your self still consciously aware in a spiritual dimension that is foreign to the world in which we live. You are suddenly apprehended by an angelic host and carted off to a courtroom of sorts....You are then seated before a judge (God). God then asks you to plead your case before he makes his decision on your eternal destiny. What would be your response?
I would mention Ray Comfort, Ken Ham, Duane Gish, Michael Behe and William Dembski. There are no better defence the Creationism defence - I can't be held liable when there are people like them peaching Christianity.

We will record that for your defence

Zetesis Apistia · Post by **Zetesis Apistia** » Mon Mar 11, 2013 2:26 pm

Boots wrote: Back to the OP ...

Were I to die, retain consciousness, and meet the Almighty, here's what I would say.

"Well, I did my best to make your world a better place. If you're going to reward me for that--for following the spirit of what most of the religions on earth espoused, despite the fact that I did not believe you existed and I'd gain no eternal reward for doing so--then I accept the reward with my thanks, and with respect for your judiciousness.

"If you're going to punish me for not believing in you, despite my trying to make the world a better place simply because it's the right thing to do, then" <--and here I stick up the middle finger.

Judges aren't in the business of rewarding good behavior they are only in the business of criminal prosecution.

Dantalion · Post by **Dantalion** » Mon Mar 11, 2013 2:32 pm

Zetesis Apistia wrote:
Boots wrote: Back to the OP ...

Were I to die, retain consciousness, and meet the Almighty, here's what I would say.

"Well, I did my best to make your world a better place. If you're going to reward me for that--for following the spirit of what most of the religions on earth espoused, despite the fact that I did not believe you existed and I'd gain no eternal reward for doing so--then I accept the reward with my thanks, and with respect for your judiciousness.

"If you're going to punish me for not believing in you, despite my trying to make the world a better place simply because it's the right thing to do, then" <--and here I stick up the middle finger.

Judges aren't in the business of rewarding good behavior they are only in the business of criminal prosecution.

What crimes are we talking about here ?

Peter · Post by **Peter** » Mon Mar 11, 2013 2:54 pm

Morphine wrote: [Replying to post 71 by Herndon]

Don't you think it would have been much more efficient to simply eliminate both satan and hell? And while you're at it, how about not creating the forbidden fruit. I mean really, it served no purpose but to damn a few billion people to Hell...
Easy fix, no?

Boooring. We wouldn't have Heston in the 10 Commandments or Moses. The christian god obviously likes a little action entertainment.

Seriously, I have yet to hear a plausible reason why a perfect being would do anything these gods are suppose to have done.

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