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Replying to post 78 by Filthy Tugboat]
I couldn't make heads or tails out of most of what you said. All that rambling about faith when all you had to say was, "There is no non-circular reason that sensory information is trustworthy." This is a well known fact. Trusting our senses is axiomatic as we have no other information source.
And then you just continued rambling on. You have claimed that by showing that the Bible has power, you can then demonstrate that Jesus resurrected from the dead. So. Here is your chance. For arguments sake, the Bible has prophetic power. How does this mean Jesus resurrected from the dead? List an argument, don't ramble and go off topic. Make clear concise points and show how the premises support the conclusion.
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First, I don't need other evidence he lived. There are plenty of witnesses. Second, if his words were not true, they would have no staying power in history. We would not be having this conversation. We are not arguing about Rumi the Sufi or Buddha or Plato. We are debating the one that won't go away no matter how much you reason it away. The probability of this denies anyone who tries. It's logical he is what he claims and did what is claimed.
Next, I have current history on my side. Christ described a coming world order that would be founded on the number 666. He stated that this number would be the mark of mankind. I can check this one off as well. Carbon has 6 protons, 6 electrons and 6 neutrons. It is the mark of life for mankind and is also the mark of our selfish economic system. Our fruit of knowledge is based on the transmutation of Carbon, the resource at the center of the garden (Earth).
Genesis 3
2 The woman said to the serpent, We may eat fruit from the trees in the garden, 3 but God did say, You must not eat fruit from the tree that is in the middle of the garden, and you must not touch it, or you will die.
Additionally, God said that our reality was comprised of Time, Space, Matter and Energy. I can verify this in the first verse.
Genesis 1 - In the Beginning (Time), God created the Heavens (Space) and the Earth (Matter). Let there be light (What you need for a hologram).
In John 1, we are reminded of how the image works.
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was with God in the beginning. 3 Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. 4 In him was life, and that life was the light of all mankind. 5 The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome[a] it.
6 There was a man sent from God whose name was John. 7 He came as a witness to testify concerning that light, so that through him all might believe. 8 He himself was not the light; he came only as a witness to the light.
We are told that the mechanism of life is water. John came to witness this process called baptism (Involution and Evolution). We are told that through John, we could have new life in Christ. Christ provides the tree of life (Blood/DNA) and John immerses us in the waters of life. If I go to 1 Kings 17, I get a perfect picture of how the soul incarnates into matter. He visits the widow woman at Zarephath (meaning refinery) and revives her son by taking him UP, then down to her bosom. This is symbolism for what Elijah would do when he returned in the first century as John the Baptist.
Matthew 11
13 For all the prophets and the Law prophesied until John. 14 And if you are willing to accept it, John himself is Elijah who was to come.
In these short verses, we have a picture emerging that perfectly describes what science sees as evolution. Why do they not see the Spirit in all of this? Just as the Bible says, if you remove the Spirit of God and deny it, you are denying God. This is the only unforgivable sin. Why?
Like I said. Faith is what you place your hope in. If you place your hope in the material world, but deny the Spirit that animates it to life, you deny God Himself, the giver of that life. He provides enough for us to know. Faith is the only way you can collapse the wave function of salvation. If you do not believe it is possible, it won't be.
Romans 1
16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel, because it is the power of God that brings salvation to everyone who believes: first to the Jew, then to the Gentile. 17 For in the gospel the righteousness of God is revealed"a righteousness that is by faith from first to last,[e] just as it is written: The righteous will live by faith.
18 The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of people, who suppress the truth by their wickedness, 19 since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. 20 For since the creation of the world Gods invisible qualities"his eternal power and divine nature"have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse.
Again, take out God and Jesus and you are left with all of this truth as a paradox and contradiction to what we experience in this image of Time, Space, Matter and Energy.
Science tells you everything I have shown. As we increase our knowledge of this world, the power in the words comes alive. It has always held the higher axiom. The reason we see contradiction and paradox on our end of reality is because we are approaching this truth from below. It's an inverse square law. The closer we get to the light source, the smaller our screen of awareness needs to be. Since we have spent an eternity approaching the truth, our screen of awareness was necessarily larger and less clear. In reality, this is not us moving, but God moving closer to us. God is responsible for our faith, not us.
All his claims are coming true. His words reflect absolute truth. You are saying one thing is not true, but have not disproved his other words. Until you can disprove his words as inaccurate, I have clearly demonstrated them to be true.
We are left with only one other bit of evidence. Christ said you will not get that evidence.
38 Then some of the Pharisees and teachers of the law said to him, Teacher, we want to see a sign from you.
39 He answered, A wicked and adulterous generation asks for a sign! But none will be given it except the sign of the prophet Jonah. 40 For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of a huge fish, so the Son of Man will be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth. 41 The men of Nineveh will stand up at the judgment with this generation and condemn it; for they repented at the preaching of Jonah, and now something greater than Jonah is here. 42 The Queen of the South will rise at the judgment with this generation and condemn it; for she came from the ends of the earth to listen to Solomons wisdom, and now something greater than Solomon is here.
In the next post, I'll show you what the sign of Jonah is. It relates directly to the Pope and moneychangers. By this example, the false priests will be shown their true messiah.
Speaking of the true messiah, do we have a word to the Jews that Christ is that messiah?
Daniel 9
25 Know and understand this: From the time the word goes out to restore and rebuild Jerusalem until the Anointed One,[f] the ruler, comes, there will be seven sevens, and sixty-two sevens. It will be rebuilt with streets and a trench, but in times of trouble. 26 After the sixty-two sevens, the Anointed One will be put to death and will have nothing.[g] The people of the ruler who will come will destroy the city and the sanctuary.
Here, they have their proof of Jesus. Was the temple and city destroyed? Yes. Who was the anointed one? Christ. No temple? Yes, then Christ was the messiah.
What happens at a later date, after this? In other words, what happens over the next 2000 years? The sign of Jonah.
The end will come like a flood: War will continue until the end, and desolations have been decreed. 27 He will confirm a covenant with many for one seven.[h] In the middle of the seven
he will put an end to sacrifice and offering. And at the temple[j] he will set up an abomination that causes desolation, until the end that is decreed is poured out on him.[k]
The end comes as this happens. We are very near this and it will happen in your lifetime. Putting an end to the sacrifice and offering happens when baptism into the water ends. Elijah's work is finished.
Matthew 3
7 But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees coming to where he was baptizing, he said to them: You brood of vipers! Who warned you to flee from the coming wrath? 8 Produce fruit in keeping with repentance. 9 And do not think you can say to yourselves, We have Abraham as our father. I tell you that out of these stones God can raise up children for Abraham. 10 The ax is already at the root of the trees, and every tree that does not produce good fruit will be cut down and thrown into the fire.
11 I baptize you with water for repentance. But after me comes one who is more powerful than I, whose sandals I am not worthy to carry. He will baptize you with[c] the Holy Spirit and fire. 12 His winnowing fork is in his hand, and he will clear his threshing floor, gathering his wheat into the barn and burning up the chaff with unquenchable fire.
The coming wrath is what is gearing up today. The leaders were told to repent in the water. If they do not, the fire is their baptism. Can we see this approaching in our tyrannical world today? Again, how do the moneychangers fit into this? What allows you to repent and put out the fire with water? Giving. Who will burn? Those who take.
"Jacob (Farmer) have I loved and Esau (Hunter / Nimrod) have I hated." What allows giving from love, even to enemies? Faith. A person can't love if they have no faith that this love is for a reason above their own self. Instead, a person seeks their own self interests only. This is selfishness. An atheist will say, "You can love because it is the right thing to do." I will simply say, then there is ultimate truth. You deny this and you deny the one who showed you. What else did he say that is ultimately true?
2 Timothy 3 outlines this selfishness as related to the mark of 666.
3 But mark this: There will be terrible times in the last days. 2 People will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boastful, proud, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy, 3 without love, unforgiving, slanderous, without self-control, brutal, not lovers of the good, 4 treacherous, rash, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God" 5 having a form of godliness but denying its power. Have nothing to do with such people.
18 identifiers. Count them. 6+6+6
Take the risen Christ from this and our hope to overcome the beast is taken as well. You may have an easy time denying it today, but wait a few years as this tyranny develops. You will be looking for a hope and there will only be one available.
Christ is risen today! It's Easter you know.
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