Religious Belief

[Peter]

When does a fervent hope become an actual belief and will the believer recognize the difference? Based on years of debate I don't think they will.

The elephant in the room is death. I spent billions of years in oblivion and I'm not afraid to return to it but some people obviously are. Fear of death must be the number one reason for wishing there's an eternal life and this wish has become a belief in theists the world over. Are they capable of recognizing this belief is simply a strong desire? Should I even try to dissuade them of this belief?

I wouldn't be here if I didn't think religion was the most dangerous impediment to the continued existence of humanity. It's insanity on an inconceivable scale and if we can't just learn to love one another we're doomed as a species. There's more than enough strife and fighting in the world over real issues to justify the addition of imaginary issues like who's god can beat up someone elses god.

It's time to outgrow imaginary playmates and father figures. We have hard work ahead of us if we plan to be around as long as the dinosaurs and I for one will be hugely disappointed if we're not.

[cholland]

[Replying to post 19 by cholland]

Quick heads up cholla. Everything that lives, also dies. It just a part of living. As I said your mummy and daddy may have been remiss in not informing you of this very simple FACT of life.
Hey fill ya boots with a misguided belief in the contrary, I prefer reality.

My grandfather has been dead for 12 years now. Are you saying, as death is a part of life, that he is still alive?

[southern cross]

[Replying to post 19 by cholland]

Quick heads up cholla. Everything that lives, also dies. It just a part of living. As I said your mummy and daddy may have been remiss in not informing you of this very simple FACT of life.
Hey fill ya boots with a misguided belief in the contrary, I prefer reality.

My grandfather has been dead for 12 years now. Are you saying, as death is a part of life, that he is still alive?

Well yes of course YOU are. On the other hand I am saying that his death was an inevitable part of his life. It's the deluded that consider the dead still alive, don't you think?
BTW cholla, do you spend your nights "wishing and hoping and thinking and praying" (thank you Dusty) that when you die you won't actually die? I mean you are so much more important than ANYTHING else on the planet, this couldn't possibly be all there is for YOU?

[cholland]

[Replying to post 19 by cholland]

Quick heads up cholla. Everything that lives, also dies. It just a part of living. As I said your mummy and daddy may have been remiss in not informing you of this very simple FACT of life.
Hey fill ya boots with a misguided belief in the contrary, I prefer reality.

My grandfather has been dead for 12 years now. Are you saying, as death is a part of life, that he is still alive?

Well yes of course YOU are. On the other hand I am saying that his death was an inevitable part of his life. It's the deluded that consider the dead still alive, don't you think?

Are you then deluded? "Death is integral to life." "Death is a part of life."

Inevitable is the word you were searching for and found it. Is English your first language? I understand now if it's not.

[southern cross]

[Replying to post 19 by cholland]

Quick heads up cholla. Everything that lives, also dies. It just a part of living. As I said your mummy and daddy may have been remiss in not informing you of this very simple FACT of life.
Hey fill ya boots with a misguided belief in the contrary, I prefer reality.

My grandfather has been dead for 12 years now. Are you saying, as death is a part of life, that he is still alive?

Well yes of course YOU are. On the other hand I am saying that his death was an inevitable part of his life. It's the deluded that consider the dead still alive, don't you think?

Are you then deluded? "Death is integral to life." "Death is a part of life."

Inevitable is the word you were searching for and found it. Is English your first language? I understand now if it's not.

Yes I edited that post, you probably need to look at it. But regardless of that, which part of DEATH is not a PART of life?
I understand full well your lack of parental and other forms of education, but if you don't understand the very first principle of LIFE, then why oh why are you subjecting yourself to a debate forum?
Perhaps discussing BMX would be more appropriate for you?
"Death is integral to life." "Death is a part of life."
If you can't understand this then I'm happy for you to possess a brainstem like the rest of us

[cholland]

[Replying to post 19 by cholland]

Quick heads up cholla. Everything that lives, also dies. It just a part of living. As I said your mummy and daddy may have been remiss in not informing you of this very simple FACT of life.
Hey fill ya boots with a misguided belief in the contrary, I prefer reality.

My grandfather has been dead for 12 years now. Are you saying, as death is a part of life, that he is still alive?

Well yes of course YOU are. On the other hand I am saying that his death was an inevitable part of his life. It's the deluded that consider the dead still alive, don't you think?

Are you then deluded? "Death is integral to life." "Death is a part of life."

Inevitable is the word you were searching for and found it. Is English your first language? I understand now if it's not.

Yes I edited that post, you probably need to look at it. But regardless of that, which part of DEATH is not a PART of life?
I understand full well your lack of parental and other forms of education, but if you don't understand the very first principle of LIFE, then why oh why are you subjecting yourself to a debate forum?
Perhaps discussing BMX would be more appropriate for you?
"Death is integral to life." "Death is a part of life."
If you can't understand this then I'm happy for you to possess a brainstem like the rest of us

integral: (1) of, pertaining to, or belonging as a part of the whole.
(2) necessary to the completeness of the whole

part: (1) a portion or division of a whole that is separate or distinct; piece, fragment, fraction, or section; constituent

life: (1) the condition that distinguishes organisms from inorganic objects and dead organisms, being manifested by growth through metabolism, reproduction, and the power of adaptation to environment through changes originating internally.

death: (1) the act of dying; the end of life; the total and permanent cessation of all the vital functions of an organism

From these definitions from dictionary.com, how is life any part of death? It seems to me that death is the total absence of life, not part of it, the end of it.

And aside from the rude and unhelpful remarks, where are you getting these principles? The first principle of life apparently is death. And the purpose of life is to live. Are you making this stuff up as you go? It sounds like something I would find on a fortune cookie.

[southern cross]

[Replying to post 19 by cholland]

Quick heads up cholla. Everything that lives, also dies. It just a part of living. As I said your mummy and daddy may have been remiss in not informing you of this very simple FACT of life.
Hey fill ya boots with a misguided belief in the contrary, I prefer reality.

My grandfather has been dead for 12 years now. Are you saying, as death is a part of life, that he is still alive?

Well yes of course YOU are. On the other hand I am saying that his death was an inevitable part of his life. It's the deluded that consider the dead still alive, don't you think?

Are you then deluded? "Death is integral to life." "Death is a part of life."

Inevitable is the word you were searching for and found it. Is English your first language? I understand now if it's not.

Yes I edited that post, you probably need to look at it. But regardless of that, which part of DEATH is not a PART of life?
I understand full well your lack of parental and other forms of education, but if you don't understand the very first principle of LIFE, then why oh why are you subjecting yourself to a debate forum?
Perhaps discussing BMX would be more appropriate for you?
"Death is integral to life." "Death is a part of life."
If you can't understand this then I'm happy for you to possess a brainstem like the rest of us

integral: (1) of, pertaining to, or belonging as a part of the whole.
(2) necessary to the completeness of the whole

part: (1) a portion or division of a whole that is separate or distinct; piece, fragment, fraction, or section; constituent

life: (1) the condition that distinguishes organisms from inorganic objects and dead organisms, being manifested by growth through metabolism, reproduction, and the power of adaptation to environment through changes originating internally.

death: (1) the act of dying; the end of life; the total and permanent cessation of all the vital functions of an organism

From these definitions from dictionary.com, how is life any part of death? It seems to me that death is the total absence of life, not part of it, the end of it.

And aside from the rude and unhelpful remarks, where are you getting these principles? The first principle of life apparently is death. And the purpose of life is to live. Are you making this stuff up as you go? It sounds like something I would find on a fortune cookie.

I will try to make it easy for you.

integral: (1) of, pertaining to, or belonging as a part of the whole.
(2) necessary to the completeness of the whole

[cholland]

integral: (1) of, pertaining to, or belonging as a part of the whole.
(2) necessary to the completeness of the whole

part: (1) a portion or division of a whole that is separate or distinct; piece, fragment, fraction, or section; constituent

life: (1) the condition that distinguishes organisms from inorganic objects and dead organisms, being manifested by growth through metabolism, reproduction, and the power of adaptation to environment through changes originating internally.

death: (1) the act of dying; the end of life; the total and permanent cessation of all the vital functions of an organism

From these definitions from dictionary.com, how is life any part of death? It seems to me that death is the total absence of life, not part of it, the end of it.

And aside from the rude and unhelpful remarks, where are you getting these principles? The first principle of life apparently is death. And the purpose of life is to live. Are you making this stuff up as you go? It sounds like something I would find on a fortune cookie.

I will try to make it easy for you.

integral: (1) of, pertaining to, or belonging as a part of the whole.
(2) necessary to the completeness of the whole

What is the part and what is the whole? If the former "death" and the latter "life", then that would make death necessary for me to live (per the definition). See the problem? I'm not truly living until I die.

[southern cross]

integral: (1) of, pertaining to, or belonging as a part of the whole.
(2) necessary to the completeness of the whole

part: (1) a portion or division of a whole that is separate or distinct; piece, fragment, fraction, or section; constituent

life: (1) the condition that distinguishes organisms from inorganic objects and dead organisms, being manifested by growth through metabolism, reproduction, and the power of adaptation to environment through changes originating internally.

death: (1) the act of dying; the end of life; the total and permanent cessation of all the vital functions of an organism

From these definitions from dictionary.com, how is life any part of death? It seems to me that death is the total absence of life, not part of it, the end of it.

And aside from the rude and unhelpful remarks, where are you getting these principles? The first principle of life apparently is death. And the purpose of life is to live. Are you making this stuff up as you go? It sounds like something I would find on a fortune cookie.

I will try to make it easy for you.

integral: (1) of, pertaining to, or belonging as a part of the whole.
(2) necessary to the completeness of the whole

What is the part and what is the whole? If the former "death" and the latter "life", then that would make death necessary for me to live (per the definition). See the problem? I'm not truly living until I die.

I'm sorry cholla I thought you had read 2)?
NECESSARY TO COMPLETENESS OF THE WHOLE...................that means life, in this context.
I really hope that you understand.
Here is a simple question.
How can anything die?

[cholland]

integral: (1) of, pertaining to, or belonging as a part of the whole.
(2) necessary to the completeness of the whole

part: (1) a portion or division of a whole that is separate or distinct; piece, fragment, fraction, or section; constituent

life: (1) the condition that distinguishes organisms from inorganic objects and dead organisms, being manifested by growth through metabolism, reproduction, and the power of adaptation to environment through changes originating internally.

death: (1) the act of dying; the end of life; the total and permanent cessation of all the vital functions of an organism

From these definitions from dictionary.com, how is life any part of death? It seems to me that death is the total absence of life, not part of it, the end of it.

And aside from the rude and unhelpful remarks, where are you getting these principles? The first principle of life apparently is death. And the purpose of life is to live. Are you making this stuff up as you go? It sounds like something I would find on a fortune cookie.

I will try to make it easy for you.

integral: (1) of, pertaining to, or belonging as a part of the whole.
(2) necessary to the completeness of the whole

What is the part and what is the whole? If the former "death" and the latter "life", then that would make death necessary for me to live (per the definition). See the problem? I'm not truly living until I die.

I'm sorry cholla I thought you had read 2)?
NECESSARY TO COMPLETENESS OF THE WHOLE...................that means life, in this context.
I really hope that you understand.
Here is a simple question.
How can anything die?

By ceasing to live. Their life is over, done. No more life. Death is not a part of life, it is the absence of it.

[southern cross]

integral: (1) of, pertaining to, or belonging as a part of the whole.
(2) necessary to the completeness of the whole

part: (1) a portion or division of a whole that is separate or distinct; piece, fragment, fraction, or section; constituent

life: (1) the condition that distinguishes organisms from inorganic objects and dead organisms, being manifested by growth through metabolism, reproduction, and the power of adaptation to environment through changes originating internally.

death: (1) the act of dying; the end of life; the total and permanent cessation of all the vital functions of an organism

From these definitions from dictionary.com, how is life any part of death? It seems to me that death is the total absence of life, not part of it, the end of it.

And aside from the rude and unhelpful remarks, where are you getting these principles? The first principle of life apparently is death. And the purpose of life is to live. Are you making this stuff up as you go? It sounds like something I would find on a fortune cookie.

I will try to make it easy for you.

integral: (1) of, pertaining to, or belonging as a part of the whole.
(2) necessary to the completeness of the whole

What is the part and what is the whole? If the former "death" and the latter "life", then that would make death necessary for me to live (per the definition). See the problem? I'm not truly living until I die.

I'm sorry cholla I thought you had read 2)?
NECESSARY TO COMPLETENESS OF THE WHOLE...................that means life, in this context.
I really hope that you understand.
Here is a simple question.
How can anything die?

By ceasing to live. Their life is over, done. No more life. Death is not a part of life, it is the absence of it.

Did you see that cholla, did you see it? Apparently if there is no life then there is no DEATH, I guess you've just proved the integral part. Well done, I knew you would eventually.
In animal terms I hope you understand that the ONLY cause of death is........ what?
C'mon you're very close, tell me.