Are there any here?

[Allahakbar]

Are there any two "bible believing christians" on this site who's interpretation of the words of the bible are identical?

[arian]

I am an atheist.

I believe in God as the Creator of the Universe. I believe that there is an eternal life after we die and heavan and a hell. And, that the Jesus recorded in the New Testament is the Messiah and is actually The God of the Universe, Creator of everything seen and unseen and yet to be discovered.

Very good, except the 'Messiah being the God of the Universe' part, .. that would be Satan, not Jesus.

According to the Bible (excluding religious myths) Jesus is the Son of God, and he NEVER once claimed to be God, yet on the other hand, God our Creator has NEVER once claimed to be 'less than God', or claim that there was someone grater than Himself, .. which in contrast Jesus never stopped mentioning. Maybe to make sure that no one would confuse him with God, but that God is speaking through Him, ... the Word of God sort of person.

That Jesus is God (trinity-doctrine believed by theists) is a lie told by the spirits of demons, performing signs, which go out to the kings of the earth (like Constantine) and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty. (Revelations 16:14)

Look up the word theist as if for the first time, and you will see that the 'God of the Bible' does not need to be a part of being a theist.

Now think, ... not what you think you know, but think about that for a second. The Bible says there is One God and there is no one besides Him, .. right? Now compare this definition with 'theism' and you should see that our God of the Bible could not be associated with, or found amongst these lesser man made gods of the world. Just as you wouldn't go around checking the pulse and doing CPR on rocks, then you shouldn't be looking for God in theism either.

Now you should understand why I'm an atheist who believes in the God* (* see note below) of the Bible, the One God who identified Himself to Moses as 'I Am Who I Am' who created all things by, through and for His Son Word, .. who by the Power of Gods Holy Spirit came down to earth planted a DNA of the Son 'Word' into a virgin girls egg, and after nine months a boy was born, and was called Jesus, ... just as it was prophesied in the Old Testament.

God 'named' His Son Word for through Him God would speak and clear the smoke, that darkness that was created by myths and religions, and shed 'light' on the truth (John 1:1)

John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God (remember that God has no beginning nor end, God IS)
2 He was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made. 4 In Him was life, and the life was the light of men. 5 And the light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not comprehend it.

... 10 He was in the world, and the world was made through Him, and the world did not know Him.

... 14 And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth.

* Note: The difference between an atheist and a theist is that an atheist doesn't believe in, or worships any gods of the theists, and neither do I. But an atheist has no idea who 'The One True God' really is, he thinks the God of the Bible is just another theistic gods, so he 'includes' that to the gods in theism that he doesn't believe in.

So to say that you're an 'atheist' (not believe in any man made gods) is a 'start' to knowing God our Creator, but if you 'are' or claim to be and stand strongly on 'atheism', then that would be a religious belief no different than all the religions that worship all the theistic gods. the 'religion' in atheism would be:

Theists - worship god or gods religiously
Atheists - don't worship all them god or gods religiously

[arian]

Are there any two "bible believing christians" on this site who's interpretation of the words of the bible are identical?

Just as there are no two dictionaries using exact same words to define definitions of 'words', you will never find two Christians defining Bible passages the same way either.

The Bible is like a dictionary, it defines AND interprets its messages and its laws, .. stealing is bad, it's wrong, there is no two ways about it.
Homosexuality is bad, it's wrong and there is no two-ways about it.
The is One God the "I Am Who I Am", and there is no 'three-ways' around it.
God through His Son created the universe, the world and all life on it, and there is no two ways to interpret this. There is no God or laws in the theory of Evolution, evolution is said to have 'evolved laws' as time went on, so any Christian who defines 'creation' other than 'intelligent design by a Creator' is either blind, or fooling with clear Bible definitions.

So yes, there are many, many Christians out there who are identical in interpreting the Words in the Bible, ... but then they through their religious churches indoctrinations end up adding or taking away from its meaning.

Anybody who adds or takes away from the Prophetic Words of the Bible and its proper definitions and interprets it (teaches it) otherwise is a lier who is destined to be cursed. (Revelation 22:18)

Post a few theological positions of orthodox belief and see if we agree totally.

Start with the empty tomb.

OK, .. the tomb was empty.

Many an atheist would also claim that the tomb was empty.

Most Christian theists will see it as empty due to actions taken by the corpse.
Everyone else will see it as empty due to actions taken by the living.

We cannot say for sure who is right, much less prove that Jesus ever existed, but to credit a corpse over the action of the living is nonsensical to me.

Do you believe in Evolution, then you should know that your entire mythological theory is built on dried up bones of corpses, or even just a pinky of a corpse.

[Suzy]

Are there any two "bible believing christians" on this site who's interpretation of the words of the bible are identical?

Just as there are no two dictionaries using exact same words to define definitions of 'words', you will never find two Christians defining Bible passages the same way either.

The Bible is like a dictionary, it defines AND interprets its messages and its laws, .. stealing is bad, it's wrong, there is no two ways about it.
Homosexuality is bad, it's wrong and there is no two-ways about it.
The is One God the "I Am Who I Am", and there is no 'three-ways' around it.
God through His Son created the universe, the world and all life on it, and there is no two ways to interpret this. There is no God or laws in the theory of Evolution, evolution is said to have 'evolved laws' as time went on, so any Christian who defines 'creation' other than 'intelligent design by a Creator' is either blind, or fooling with clear Bible definitions.

So yes, there are many, many Christians out there who are identical in interpreting the Words in the Bible, ... but then they through their religious churches indoctrinations end up adding or taking away from its meaning.

Anybody who adds or takes away from the Prophetic Words of the Bible and its proper definitions and interprets it (teaches it) otherwise is a lier who is destined to be cursed. (Revelation 22:18)

Post a few theological positions of orthodox belief and see if we agree totally.

Start with the empty tomb.

OK, .. the tomb was empty.

Many an atheist would also claim that the tomb was empty.

Most Christian theists will see it as empty due to actions taken by the corpse.
Everyone else will see it as empty due to actions taken by the living.

We cannot say for sure who is right, much less prove that Jesus ever existed, but to credit a corpse over the action of the living is nonsensical to me.

Do you believe in Evolution, then you should know that your entire mythological theory is built on dried up bones of corpses, or even just a pinky of a corpse.

I have studied religion and evolution and although I am not a leading expert in either field I have a good working knowledge of both.

To say evolution is just built on dried up bones shows that you know nothing about evolution whatsoever as in almost zero!
Stick to your beliefs by all means, its your right and I respect that but saying this is just an empty argument.

[no evidence no belief]

Are there any two "bible believing christians" on this site who's interpretation of the words of the bible are identical?

Just as there are no two dictionaries using exact same words to define definitions of 'words', you will never find two Christians defining Bible passages the same way either.

The Bible is like a dictionary, it defines AND interprets its messages and its laws, .. stealing is bad, it's wrong, there is no two ways about it.
Homosexuality is bad, it's wrong and there is no two-ways about it.
The is One God the "I Am Who I Am", and there is no 'three-ways' around it.
God through His Son created the universe, the world and all life on it, and there is no two ways to interpret this. There is no God or laws in the theory of Evolution, evolution is said to have 'evolved laws' as time went on, so any Christian who defines 'creation' other than 'intelligent design by a Creator' is either blind, or fooling with clear Bible definitions.

So yes, there are many, many Christians out there who are identical in interpreting the Words in the Bible, ... but then they through their religious churches indoctrinations end up adding or taking away from its meaning.

Anybody who adds or takes away from the Prophetic Words of the Bible and its proper definitions and interprets it (teaches it) otherwise is a lier who is destined to be cursed. (Revelation 22:18)

Post a few theological positions of orthodox belief and see if we agree totally.

Start with the empty tomb.

OK, .. the tomb was empty.

Many an atheist would also claim that the tomb was empty.

Most Christian theists will see it as empty due to actions taken by the corpse.
Everyone else will see it as empty due to actions taken by the living.

We cannot say for sure who is right, much less prove that Jesus ever existed, but to credit a corpse over the action of the living is nonsensical to me.

Do you believe in Evolution, then you should know that your entire mythological theory is built on dried up bones of corpses, or even just a pinky of a corpse.

Dude, there is no dispute on evolution.

It's one of the best understood, thoroughly tested scientific facts ever.

No aspect of it at all is based on anything but sound, evidence-based, science.

Seriously man, the current Pope accepts evolution, the previous Pope did, the one before him did. The current Bishop of Canterbury accepts evolutions, the previous one did, and the one before him did. Francis Collins, one of the leading scientists on DNA accepts evolution and he's a Christian. Ken Miller, one of the lead witnesses in the pro-evolution trials, is a devout Catholic.

The overwhelming majority of Christians, including several on this board, accept evolution.

The debate on Evolution is not one between atheists and theists. Most theists agree that evolution is true.

The debate on Evolution is one between the scientifically literate and the scientific illiterate.

It's not even a debate. It's the entire world trying to educate the last few people who haven't caught up with scientific facts.

It's over buddy. Your children and your grandchildren are going to grow up in a world where evolution is thoroughly understood as irrefutable fact.

[Clownboat]

Are there any two "bible believing christians" on this site who's interpretation of the words of the bible are identical?

Just as there are no two dictionaries using exact same words to define definitions of 'words', you will never find two Christians defining Bible passages the same way either.

The Bible is like a dictionary, it defines AND interprets its messages and its laws, .. stealing is bad, it's wrong, there is no two ways about it.
Homosexuality is bad, it's wrong and there is no two-ways about it.
The is One God the "I Am Who I Am", and there is no 'three-ways' around it.
God through His Son created the universe, the world and all life on it, and there is no two ways to interpret this. There is no God or laws in the theory of Evolution, evolution is said to have 'evolved laws' as time went on, so any Christian who defines 'creation' other than 'intelligent design by a Creator' is either blind, or fooling with clear Bible definitions.

So yes, there are many, many Christians out there who are identical in interpreting the Words in the Bible, ... but then they through their religious churches indoctrinations end up adding or taking away from its meaning.

Anybody who adds or takes away from the Prophetic Words of the Bible and its proper definitions and interprets it (teaches it) otherwise is a lier who is destined to be cursed. (Revelation 22:18)

Post a few theological positions of orthodox belief and see if we agree totally.

Start with the empty tomb.

OK, .. the tomb was empty.

Many an atheist would also claim that the tomb was empty.

Most Christian theists will see it as empty due to actions taken by the corpse.
Everyone else will see it as empty due to actions taken by the living.

We cannot say for sure who is right, much less prove that Jesus ever existed, but to credit a corpse over the action of the living is nonsensical to me.

Do you believe in Evolution, then you should know that your entire mythological theory is built on dried up bones of corpses, or even just a pinky of a corpse.

Arian, your ignorance of evolution is once again showing. Also, you bringing up evolution has nothing to do with the question that was posed that you failed to address.

Whenever you want to reveal your level of not understanding evolution, you just go right along and post about the subject, but it would be nice if you also addressed the posts that you are responding to in the first place.

[historia]

Are there any two "bible believing christians" on this site who's interpretation of the words of the bible are identical?

Shouldn't your name be Allahuakbar?

[RonE]

[Replying to post 8 by Allahakbar]

True, only one can be right... but they both can be wrong.

[Dantalion]

[Replying to post 56 by historia]

Do you have anything other than an ad hominem to respond with ?
As far as I can tell, he's not a Muslim, and how people write their forum name is their concern wouldn't you agree ?

[arian]

Dude, there is no dispute on evolution.

Thanks no evidence no belief ... I don't know what I was thinking, I appreciate you bringing back to my APE self, ... otherwise I might still be disputing the Fact of Evolution.

It's one of the best understood, thoroughly tested scientific facts ever.

Yes, ... but just for reminder, can you show me a 'scientific fact' about the theory of evolution?

No aspect of it at all is based on anything but sound, evidence-based, science.

We are still talking about the evolution of biological life from primitive pre-nucleus of a single-celled bacteria and how it evolved over the millions of years, right?

Seriously man, the current Pope accepts evolution, the previous Pope did, the one before him did. The current Bishop of Canterbury accepts evolutions, the previous one did, and the one before him did. Francis Collins, one of the leading scientists on DNA accepts evolution and he's a Christian. Ken Miller, one of the lead witnesses in the pro-evolution trials, is a devout Catholic.

But what if I told you that Catholic is not Bible-based followers of Christ, but follow many gods that reside in the supernatural realm? So your above comment holds no water at all.

The overwhelming majority of Christians, including several on this board, accept evolution.

Exactly, .. so the first question you should ask is; What does the Bible teach and consider 'Followers of Christ', or Christian?

The debate on Evolution is not one between atheists and theists. Most theists agree that evolution is true.

Next you should ask is; "What is the actual difference between the theistic and atheistic religions?" Once you understand that, you will understand why they both believe in evolution?

The debate on Evolution is one between the scientifically literate and the scientific illiterate.

The only part of evolution that is science is what we observe in the here and now, the rest is based on myths and religious make belief stories of long, long time ago that happened far, far away which no scientist has ever witnessed or could ever witness.

It's not even a debate. It's the entire world trying to educate the last few people who haven't caught up with scientific facts.

Saying its scientific fact is one thing, but the real definition of Evolution is mythological fairytale make-belief. When we dissect a bird and take notes on it, that's science. But when some religious folk find a dried up leg bone of a man and then another of an ape and say one evolved over millions of years into the other, that is make belief. And if we try to convince ourselves of this make belief long enough, that is called 'religion'. Stop confusing religion with science.

It's over buddy. Your children and your grandchildren are going to grow up in a world where evolution is thoroughly understood as irrefutable fact.

.. or else, right?

Millions have died professing and defending the truth, standing against false religious doctrines and beliefs just like this Evolution one, and many more shall die defending it. I teach my kids the truth, not man-made fantasies of religious doctrines.

Show me ONE thing in this Evolution story that is scientifically irrefutable?

[Allahakbar]

But what if I told you that Catholic is not Bible-based followers of Christ,

I love this argument it is so funny and the biblicals love to use it.
Do you have a passage where god or jesus tell you that the bible (produced by the catholics) is the basis for christianity?