Are there any here?

[Allahakbar]

Are there any two "bible believing christians" on this site who's interpretation of the words of the bible are identical?

[A Troubled Man]

Yes, ... but just for reminder, can you show me a 'scientific fact' about the theory of evolution?

"The vast majority of evolutionary biologists are practising Christians. Indeed the only group among scientists who profess higher religiosity than biologists are physicists. The official dogma of the Catholic church is that evolution theory is not incompatible with a belief in the bible. The only quasi-religious sect which does not accept the facts of evolution, are classified by the International Cultic Studies Association as cults with authoritarian, exploitative and possibly dangerous systems of ritual practices. This includes the deliberate obfuscation of facts so as to indoctrinate children and vulnerable or credulous adults. Hence, young-earth creationists, even within Protestant evangelicalism, make up less than 3% of those who otherwise describe themselves as bible believing Christians worldwide."

How does it feel being part of that 3%, arian?

[Clownboat]

Seriously man, the current Pope accepts evolution, the previous Pope did, the one before him did. The current Bishop of Canterbury accepts evolutions, the previous one did, and the one before him did. Francis Collins, one of the leading scientists on DNA accepts evolution and he's a Christian. Ken Miller, one of the lead witnesses in the pro-evolution trials, is a devout Catholic.

But what if I told you that Catholic is not Bible-based followers of Christ, but follow many gods that reside in the supernatural realm? So your above comment holds no water at all.

So now it seems that if you want to do science, you have to be a part of Arian's religious belief system.


I should probably go post in the "Child Abuse" thread now. I feel rekindled, and sad.

[arian]

But what if I told you that Catholic is not Bible-based followers of Christ,

I love this argument it is so funny and the biblicals love to use it.
Do you have a passage where god or jesus tell you that the bible (produced by the catholics) is the basis for christianity?

No, the Word of God through His Son Jesus Christ is, and Jesus was NOT a Christian, nor did He start a Christian religion, nor did his Apostles. The name 'Christian' came about in Acts when people started to call the followers of Christ, Christ-like, .. but the 'religion' Christian was created by Constantine as he gave this precious title over to his pagan gentile Catholic Church.

So just remember that this word Christian through the power of Constantine and his religious zealots, became synonymous with Catholic, .. just as through new religious zealots, 'science' has become synonymous with 'evolution', and both titles are as far from each other as light is from darkness.

[Allahakbar]

But what if I told you that Catholic is not Bible-based followers of Christ,

I love this argument it is so funny and the biblicals love to use it.
Do you have a passage where god or jesus tell you that the bible (produced by the catholics) is the basis for christianity?

No, the Word of God through His Son Jesus Christ is, and Jesus was NOT a Christian, nor did He start a Christian religion, nor did his Apostles. The name 'Christian' came about in Acts when people started to call the followers of Christ, Christ-like, .. but the 'religion' Christian was created by Constantine as he gave this precious title over to his pagan gentile Catholic Church.

So just remember that this word Christian through the power of Constantine and his religious zealots, became synonymous with Catholic, .. just as through new religious zealots, 'science' has become synonymous with 'evolution', and both titles are as far from each other as light is from darkness.

So your erstwhile "christianity" (catholicism) is based on the words of Jesus? Yes?
Where do you find these words?

[arian]

Yes, ... but just for reminder, can you show me a 'scientific fact' about the theory of evolution?

"The vast majority of evolutionary biologists are practising Christians.

There are also a lot of gay-practicing Christians, killing their other fellow Christians-practicing Christians, believing in many gods-practicing Christians etc, .. and so on.
Besides, I'm sure there are some really good Hindu - evolutionary biologists too, .. right? Many other religions accept the evolution-religion also.

Now please show me a 'scientific-fact' about evolution?

Indeed the only group among scientists who profess higher religiosity than biologists are physicists.

Again, you guys keep interchanging science with evolution as if they were the same thing! Biology is a science, but evolution is NOT. Now physics does lead a man toward the understanding of God/Everything, but in order to do that, a physicist must get beyond the confides of any man-made religion like Evolution, or Christian, or Hindu, .. or he will never be able to know/understand the 'Answer to Everything'
I love to listen/read debates by quantum activists, of their opinions and views on string theory, especially their theories on 'everything', ... but sadly each one reaches a dead-end, some sooner, .. and some later, depending on the limitations of their religious indoctrinations.

The official dogma of the Catholic church is that evolution theory is not incompatible with a belief in the bible.

Yes that is true, it is an official dogma of the Catholic Church, but remember that belief in many gods is not 'incompatible' with THEIR belief in the Bible either. I mean they have a Mother who gave birth to God, .. they call her and pray to her as the Mother of God and none of that is Biblical.

The only quasi-religious sect which does not accept the facts of evolution, are classified by the International Cultic Studies Association as cults with authoritarian, exploitative and possibly dangerous systems of ritual practices.

Honestly I could NOT describe Evolutionists any better than that, .. it is a perfect description: quasi-religious cult with authoritarian, exploitative and possibly dangerous systems of ritual practices which includes the deliberate obfuscation of facts so as to indoctrinate children and vulnerable or credulous adults.

Thank you.

This includes the deliberate obfuscation of facts so as to indoctrinate children and vulnerable or credulous adults. Hence, young-earth creationists, even within Protestant evangelicalism, make up less than 3% of those who otherwise describe themselves as bible believing Christians worldwide."

How does it feel being part of that 3%, arian?

You mean there is THAT many? That would be wonderful, but how many out of that believe in many-gods, or believe Jesus is a cherubim, or just one of the many supernatural beings they study in theology?

[arian]

But what if I told you that Catholic is not Bible-based followers of Christ,

I love this argument it is so funny and the biblicals love to use it.
Do you have a passage where god or jesus tell you that the bible (produced by the catholics) is the basis for christianity?

No, the Word of God through His Son Jesus Christ is, and Jesus was NOT a Christian, nor did He start a Christian religion, nor did his Apostles. The name 'Christian' came about in Acts when people started to call the followers of Christ, Christ-like, .. but the 'religion' Christian was created by Constantine as he gave this precious title over to his pagan gentile Catholic Church.

So just remember that this word Christian through the power of Constantine and his religious zealots, became synonymous with Catholic, .. just as through new religious zealots, 'science' has become synonymous with 'evolution', and both titles are as far from each other as light is from darkness.

So your erstwhile "christianity" (catholicism) is based on the words of Jesus? Yes?
Where do you find these words?

You miss my point friend, 'Christian - Catholic' is a religion, the Bible contains the Words of hundreds of people including the Word of God through the Prophets and Jesus.

To follow the Words of God as taught by His Son Jesus in the Bible is a state of being, it is Christ-like, while the 30 some thousand 'Christian' denominations are religions. They worship deities who divine through each of their individual religious denominations as to how they each should see God. They don't see God as the Bible teaches, but as their individual divining supernatural spirits teach them.

There is a lesson to be learned from the Bible, it has the answer to 'Everything', while religious beliefs have the answer to their own gods, to confusion.

Also, the Catholics are not authors of the MESSAGE in the Bible, God is, .. through His Prophets of old, and His Son Jesus Christ. The Holy Spirit can reveal the TRUE message in the Bible if we seek and knock.

[Allahakbar]

Yes, ... but just for reminder, can you show me a 'scientific fact' about the theory of evolution?

"The vast majority of evolutionary biologists are practising Christians.

There are also a lot of gay-practicing Christians, killing their other fellow Christians-practicing Christians, believing in many gods-practicing Christians etc, .. and so on.
Besides, I'm sure there are some really good Hindu - evolutionary biologists too, .. right? Many other religions accept the evolution-religion also.

Now please show me a 'scientific-fact' about evolution?

Indeed the only group among scientists who profess higher religiosity than biologists are physicists.

Again, you guys keep interchanging science with evolution as if they were the same thing! Biology is a science, but evolution is NOT. Now physics does lead a man toward the understanding of God/Everything, but in order to do that, a physicist must get beyond the confides of any man-made religion like Evolution, or Christian, or Hindu, .. or he will never be able to know/understand the 'Answer to Everything'
I love to listen/read debates by quantum activists, of their opinions and views on string theory, especially their theories on 'everything', ... but sadly each one reaches a dead-end, some sooner, .. and some later, depending on the limitations of their religious indoctrinations.

The official dogma of the Catholic church is that evolution theory is not incompatible with a belief in the bible.

Yes that is true, it is an official dogma of the Catholic Church, but remember that belief in many gods is not 'incompatible' with THEIR belief in the Bible either. I mean they have a Mother who gave birth to God, .. they call her and pray to her as the Mother of God and none of that is Biblical.

The only quasi-religious sect which does not accept the facts of evolution, are classified by the International Cultic Studies Association as cults with authoritarian, exploitative and possibly dangerous systems of ritual practices.

Honestly I could NOT describe Evolutionists any better than that, .. it is a perfect description: quasi-religious cult with authoritarian, exploitative and possibly dangerous systems of ritual practices which includes the deliberate obfuscation of facts so as to indoctrinate children and vulnerable or credulous adults.

Thank you.

This includes the deliberate obfuscation of facts so as to indoctrinate children and vulnerable or credulous adults. Hence, young-earth creationists, even within Protestant evangelicalism, make up less than 3% of those who otherwise describe themselves as bible believing Christians worldwide."

How does it feel being part of that 3%, arian?

You mean there is THAT many? That would be wonderful, but how many out of that believe in many-gods, or believe Jesus is a cherubim, or just one of the many supernatural beings they study in theology?

Have you ever made an honest attempt to educate yourself? In this one post you have proven beyond doubt that you have absolutely no understanding of either evolution or catholicism.
Ignorance would seem to be bliss, hmmm?

[Allahakbar]

But what if I told you that Catholic is not Bible-based followers of Christ,

I love this argument it is so funny and the biblicals love to use it.
Do you have a passage where god or jesus tell you that the bible (produced by the catholics) is the basis for christianity?

No, the Word of God through His Son Jesus Christ is, and Jesus was NOT a Christian, nor did He start a Christian religion, nor did his Apostles. The name 'Christian' came about in Acts when people started to call the followers of Christ, Christ-like, .. but the 'religion' Christian was created by Constantine as he gave this precious title over to his pagan gentile Catholic Church.

So just remember that this word Christian through the power of Constantine and his religious zealots, became synonymous with Catholic, .. just as through new religious zealots, 'science' has become synonymous with 'evolution', and both titles are as far from each other as light is from darkness.

So your erstwhile "christianity" (catholicism) is based on the words of Jesus? Yes?
Where do you find these words?

You miss my point friend, 'Christian - Catholic' is a religion, the Bible contains the Words of hundreds of people including the Word of God through the Prophets and Jesus.

To follow the Words of God as taught by His Son Jesus in the Bible is a state of being, it is Christ-like, while the 30 some thousand 'Christian' denominations are religions. They worship deities who divine through each of their individual religious denominations as to how they each should see God. They don't see God as the Bible teaches, but as their individual divining supernatural spirits teach them.

There is a lesson to be learned from the Bible, it has the answer to 'Everything', while religious beliefs have the answer to their own gods, to confusion.

Also, the Catholics are not authors of the MESSAGE in the Bible, God is, .. through His Prophets of old, and His Son Jesus Christ. The Holy Spirit can reveal the TRUE message in the Bible if we seek and knock.

Once again your lack of understanding is obvious. The BIBLE is a product of the catholics. You cannot disparage the catholics and then claim guidance from their creation, well if you want any credibility that is.
To what religion do you belong?

[A Troubled Man]

Now please show me a 'scientific-fact' about evolution?

But, you don't understand evolution, that is the point, hence any facts about it are simply going to confuse you. You need to take the time to understand the theory first before you can make any comments on it. By not taking the time and then rejecting it here only shows vast amounts of dishonesty on your part. There is certainly no point to discussing anything with someone who is dishonest.

Again, you guys keep interchanging science with evolution as if they were the same thing! Biology is a science, but evolution is NOT.

That is incredibly dishonest. Why purpose do you have in lying about that?

Now physics does lead a man toward the understanding of God/Everything, but in order to do that, a physicist must get beyond the confides of any man-made religion like Evolution, or Christian, or Hindu, .. or he will never be able to know/understand the 'Answer to Everything'
I love to listen/read debates by quantum activists, of their opinions and views on string theory, especially their theories on 'everything', ... but sadly each one reaches a dead-end, some sooner, .. and some later, depending on the limitations of their religious indoctrinations.

To say you listen/read debates on quantum theory, string theory, etc. is irrelevant considering you don't understand those theories, which have nothing to do with evolution. You are merely presenting a straw man argument. More dishonesty.

You mean there is THAT many?

Yes, there are still a number of folks who are completely illiterate when it comes to science. They never take the time to understand the theories they deny or reject out of hand in favor of their religious beliefs. They are not honest people and don't deserve any respect whatsoever for their denials.

[arian]

Have you ever made an honest attempt to educate yourself? In this one post you have proven beyond doubt that you have absolutely no understanding of either evolution or catholicism.
Ignorance would seem to be bliss, hmmm?

Yada.. yada, .. yada, .. one-liner comments are cheap, show me where my summery of evolution and Catholicism is wrong? Prove how uneducated I am by pointing out my errors, I do that to you, .. only you don't even make an effort in trying to understand what I'm saying.
Could it be possible, ... even remotely possible that your understanding of both these subject is wrong? That you are just following a long history of errors, distortions and lies?