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Are there any two "bible believing christians" on this site who's interpretation of the words of the bible are identical?
"Holy Scripture: A book sent down from heaven.... Holy Scriptures contain all that a Christian should know and believe, provided he adds to it a million or so commentaries.

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No man ever believes that the Bible means what it says: He is always convinced that it says what he means.


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Allahakbar wrote: Have you ever made an honest attempt to educate yourself? In this one post you have proven beyond doubt that you have absolutely no understanding of either evolution or catholicism.
Ignorance would seem to be bliss, hmmm?
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Allahakbar wrote:
arian wrote:
Allahakbar wrote:
So your answer to the OP is NO!
I say Yes.

Reason, ... religious indoctrination is a powerful tool, and the 'Christians' have been using it for 1,700 plus years, only it doesn't last as long as they hoped it would. The Catholics had a good thing going there for a while, no reading of the Bible was allowed for the common-folk, and they were scared into 'doing as we tell you'. But then no truths mixed with religious fairytale ever lasts, I mean the 38,000 versions of Christians alone should be enough evidence, not to mention the tens of thousands of other theistic and non-theistic religions.

Just look how much BB-Evolution has changed over the past few decades, even though they have just about wiped true science off the map, .. where when people hear evolution, they actually think 'science'. The same with 'Christian', people right away associate it with 'Christ-like' like it was meant in Acts.

Some same-religions, or religious denomination here can hold on being of the same mind for a few generations by using threat of hell, or some form of excommunication from family and friends, or even threat to their lives, but because it is not based on 'absolute truths', it usually breaks down where it either splits, or dies out like the Shakers/Quakers for instance.

So YES, you can find Christians that think alike on Bible-passages, Now if the interpretation is the 'absolute truth' as revealed in the Bible, then they will not be tolerated for long, and will be wiped out.
But if it's NOT in the 'absolute truth' as taught in the Bible, then they either change with the times to accommodate their followers, or eventually face a split, or in some cases simply die out.

I hope that answers your question?
Yes it does and my interpretation was correct. Your answer to the OP is NO. Just read your post if in doubt.
There are approximately 38,000 Christian denomination, .. there are many members in each of those denominations, and those think alike, as I said:

quote-Some same-religions, or religious denomination here can hold on being of the same mind for a few generations by using threat of hell, or some form of excommunication from family and friends, or even threat to their lives, but because it is not based on 'absolute truths', it usually breaks down where it either splits, or dies out like the Shakers/Quakers for instance.

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The Apostle's Creed

Credo in Deum Patrem omnipotentem; Creatorem coeli et terrae.

Et in Jesum Christum, Filium ejus unicum, Dominum nostrum; qui conceptus est de Spiritu Sancto, natus ex Maria virgine; passus sub Pontio Pilato, crucifixus, mortuus, et sepultus; descendit ad inferna; tertia die resurrexit a mortuis; ascendit ad coelos; sedet ad dexteram Dei Patris omnipotentis; inde venturus (est) judicare vivos et mortuos.

Credo in Spiritum Sanctum; sanctam ecclesiam catholicam; sanctorum communionem; remissionem peccatorum; carnis resurrectionem; vitam oeternam. Amen.


The Nicene Creed

Credo in unum Deum Patrem omnipotentem; factorum coeli et terrae, visibilium omnium et invisibilium.

Et in unum Dominum Jesum Christum, Filium Dei unigenitum, et ex Patre natum ante omnia saecula [Deum de Deo], Lumen de Lumine, Deum verum de Deo vero, genitum, non factum, consubstantialem Patri; per quem omnia facta sunt; qui propter nos homines et propter nostram salutem descendit de coelis, et incarnatus est de Spiritu Sancto ex Maria virgine, et homo factus est; crucifixus etiam pro nobis sub Pontio Pilato, passus et sepultus est; et resurrexit tertia die, seundum Scripturus; et ascendit in coelum, sedet ad dexteram Patris; et iterum venturus est, cum gloria, judicare vivos et mortuos; cujus regni non erit finis.

Et in Spiritum Sanctum, Dominum et vivificantem, qui ex Patre [Filioque] procedit; qui cum Patre et Filio simul adoratur et conglorificatur; qui locutus est per Prophetas. Et unam, sanctam, catholicam et apostolicam ecclesiam. Confiteor unum baptisma in remissionem peccatorum; et expecto resurrectionem mortuorum, et vitam venturi seculi. Amen.


Most Christians agree to both.

As qualifiers.

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99percentatheism wrote: The Apostle's Creed

Credo in Deum Patrem omnipotentem; Creatorem coeli et terrae.

Et in Jesum Christum, Filium ejus unicum, Dominum nostrum; qui conceptus est de Spiritu Sancto, natus ex Maria virgine; passus sub Pontio Pilato, crucifixus, mortuus, et sepultus; descendit ad inferna; tertia die resurrexit a mortuis; ascendit ad coelos; sedet ad dexteram Dei Patris omnipotentis; inde venturus (est) judicare vivos et mortuos.

Credo in Spiritum Sanctum; sanctam ecclesiam catholicam; sanctorum communionem; remissionem peccatorum; carnis resurrectionem; vitam oeternam. Amen.


The Nicene Creed

Credo in unum Deum Patrem omnipotentem; factorum coeli et terrae, visibilium omnium et invisibilium.

Et in unum Dominum Jesum Christum, Filium Dei unigenitum, et ex Patre natum ante omnia saecula [Deum de Deo], Lumen de Lumine, Deum verum de Deo vero, genitum, non factum, consubstantialem Patri; per quem omnia facta sunt; qui propter nos homines et propter nostram salutem descendit de coelis, et incarnatus est de Spiritu Sancto ex Maria virgine, et homo factus est; crucifixus etiam pro nobis sub Pontio Pilato, passus et sepultus est; et resurrexit tertia die, seundum Scripturus; et ascendit in coelum, sedet ad dexteram Patris; et iterum venturus est, cum gloria, judicare vivos et mortuos; cujus regni non erit finis.

Et in Spiritum Sanctum, Dominum et vivificantem, qui ex Patre [Filioque] procedit; qui cum Patre et Filio simul adoratur et conglorificatur; qui locutus est per Prophetas. Et unam, sanctam, catholicam et apostolicam ecclesiam. Confiteor unum baptisma in remissionem peccatorum; et expecto resurrectionem mortuorum, et vitam venturi seculi. Amen.


Most Christians agree to both.

As qualifiers.
Thanks 99%atheism,

[center]Apostles Creed[/center]
The English text used in the Mass of the Roman Rite since 2011 is:
I believe in God,
the Father almighty,
Creator of heaven and earth,
and in Jesus Christ, his only Son, our Lord,
who was conceived by the Holy Spirit,
born of the Virgin Mary,
suffered under Pontius Pilate,
was crucified, died and was buried;
he descended into hell;
on the third day he rose again from the dead;
he ascended into heaven,
and is seated at the right hand of God the Father almighty;
from there he will come to judge the living and the dead.
I believe in the Holy Spirit,
the holy catholic Church,
the communion of saints,
the forgiveness of sins,
the resurrection of the body,
and life everlasting. Amen

[center]The Nicene Creed[/center]
First Council of Nicea (325)

We believe in one God, the Father Almighty, Maker of all things visible and invisible.

And in one Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of God, begotten of the Father [the only-begotten; that is, of the essence of the Father, God of God], Light of Light, very God of very God, begotten, not made, being of one substance with the Father;

By whom all things were made [both in heaven and on earth];

Who for us men, and for our salvation, came down and was incarnate and was made man;

He suffered, and the third day he rose again, ascended into heaven;

From thence he shall come to judge the quick and the dead.

And in the Holy Ghost.

[But those who say: 'There was a time when he was not;' and 'He was not before he was made;' and 'He was made out of nothing,' or 'He is of another substance' or 'essence,' or 'The Son of God is created,' or 'changeable,' or 'alterable'"they are condemned by the holy catholic and apostolic Church.]

I agree that, most Christians agree to both.. as qualifiers, ..

Now let's look at Mary, .. who is Mary according to the Catholic Apostles creed and the Nicene creed? She is the 'Mother of God', right? Now many Christian religions have abandoned the worship of Mary in act only (bowing down to the idol), but remain worshiping her in heart through and by the Trinity Doctrine. So you are correct that what the world considers 'Christian', .. on this they agree (the Catholic Apostles Creed), only I'm not a Catholic, nor a Christian according the doctrines of men.

According to the 38,000 Christian theistic denominations who worship at least three-Devine beings (they claim only three, but bow also to Mary the Mother of gods) who reside in the supernatural realm, .. I am an atheist and condemned by the holy Catholic and Apostolic Church.

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