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Are Christians being targeted "for real?"

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Are Christians being targeted "for real?"

Do Christians endure being hated like no other group?

The Media's War on the "War on Christians" Conference
By Don Feder
FrontPageMagazine.com | March 31, 2006


Last week (March 27-28), Vision America convened a War On Christians conference in Washington, D.C. It was the first to address escalating attacks on Christians from Hollywood, the news media, academia, the courts, and activist groups like the ACLU and Anti-Defamation League.

Speakers included scholars, authors, clergy (among them an Orthodox rabbi), lawyers and members of Congress. Delegates came from as far away as South Africa. I was the conference coordinator, as well as a speaker on two panels ("Jews Confront the War On Christians" and "Hollywood: Christians Through a Distorted Lens").

You will be shocked shocked! to learn that the mainstream media did its best to trivialize and marginalize the conference: to present a thoughtful examination of the rising tide of anti-Christian bias and persecution as the work of hysterical, paranoid whack-jobs who are manufacturing a crisis to generate donations and mobilize Republican votes.

An alleged news story in The Washington Post, (March 29th) by Alan Cooperman, was headlined "War on Christians Is Alleged." Try to imagine the Post covering the 2005 conference Examining the Real Agenda of the Religious Far Right and headlining its story "Coming Theocracy Alleged."
Cooperman misidentified Dr. Rick Scarborough, president of Vision America (the conference host) as a "radio commentator." You know, one of those guys who screams at you over the airwaves. In fact, besides being the head of a growing national movement, Scarborough is a Baptist minister, an author and an acclaimed speaker.
Cooperman included extensive quotes attacking the conference SOP for reportage on conservative events. A professor of social ethics charged that the meeting was "a spoiled brat response by Christians who have always enjoyed the privileges of a majority position." A mainline Protestant cleric claimed that by calling attention to the war on Christians in the U.S., the conference "disrespects the experience of people who have been jailed and died because of their faith."
This theme dominated news "coverage" Christians are so powerful that its absurd to claim theyre persecuted. Thus, a commentary in USA Today (March 28th) by Tom Krattenmaker (who called the conferences theme "overblown" and reckless): "We are in the second term of the most faith-friendly, explicitly Christian presidency in many a decade.Hollywood is producing more Christian-friendly movies [like The DaVinci Code? DF] while Christian news media, Christian music, Christian novels and other forms of Christian pop culture continue making their strong mark on society." Im only surprised Krattenmaker didnt cite the presence of "In God We Trust" on our currency to refute claims of Christian persecution.
Apparently, a majority of Americans are equally hysterical, reckless and disrespectful of real persecution. According to a FOX News poll taken in December 2005, 59 percent of the American people agreed with conference organizers that "Christianity is under attack" in the U.S. today.

In reality, you have to be dogmatic, blind and biased which pretty much describes the mainstream media to miss the obvious here.

V for Vendetta is the most explicitly anti-Christian movie to date. Its set in a Britain, 20 years in the future, ruled by a murderous regime of Christian fanatics. (Would Warner Brothers distribute a film about Britain becoming an Islamic republic?) V for Vendetta was the number one box-office draw in its first week of release, and number two in its second, with a cumulative gross revenue of over $46 million.
The latest literary hatchet-job by Kevin Phillips (American Theocracy) claims our civilization will be undone by (among other things) a "milieu of radicalized (and much too influential) religion." With the faithful fighting to keep "One Nation Under God" in the Pledge of Allegiance (and the teaching of Creationism recently banned by a federal judge lest students be inspired to meditate on the "G" word), Phillips charge that religion is much too influential in America should provoke peals of uproarious laughter. "American Theocracy" just made it on The New York Times Bestsellers list further evidence of the formidable power of radicalized religion.
In California, an employer can be fined $150,000 (thats not a typo) for firing a man who comes to work in a dress. Believe it or not, the law wasnt intended to target secular humanists.
Hewlett-Packard fired a Christian for posting near his cubicle a sign with Bible verses relating to the prohibition of men lying with men. This was in response to a celebrate sexual-diversity sign posted by the company. Hewlett-Packard does not celebrate diversity of opinion.
At colleges across the country, Christian groups have lost their accreditation for refusing to accept homosexuals as officers. Thus, at schools founded by Christians and endowed by Christians Christians are forced to choose between their conscience and the ability to hold meetings on campus.
In the New York City public school system, Moslem crescents and menorahs are displayed during certain holidays, but not Christmas trees or crches. Incredibly, school officials have decided that the former are non-religious (try telling that to bin Laden) but the latter strictly sectarian.
Recently, the San Francisco Board of Supervisors passed a unanimous resolution attacking the Catholic Church for teaching that children should be placed for adoption with mothers and fathers. The resolution called this "hateful and discriminatory."
Last weekend, the Christian youth group Teen Mania held a two-day revival for 25,000 kids in the city that inspired the moniker San Francisco Democrats. Supervisors labeled this "an act of provocation," while State Assemblyman Mark Leno called it a "fascist mega-pep rally."
Evangelicals have been described as "a clear and present danger to religious liberty in America" (former Labor Secretary Robert Reich), determined to "Christianize all aspects of American Life" (the ADLs Abraham Foxman), "moral retards" and "an ugly, violent lot" (City University of New York Professor Timothy Shortell), possessed of "the same kind of fundamentalist impulse that we see in Saudi Arabia" (Al Gore), and responsible for moving America "each day closer to a theocracy where a narrow and hateful brand of Christian fundamentalism will rule" (a full-page ad in The New York Times, signed by Jane Fonda, Ed Asner and other Hollywood savants).
And, in Philadelphia not quite two years ago, a group of Christians with Repent America were arrested for holding signs and quietly praying at a city-sponsored gay pride event. Though the Christians obeyed all police orders and were accosted by militants, they were arrested and spent 20 hours in jail. The City of Brotherly Love wanted to prosecute them for a laundry list of felonies, including criminal conspiracy. If convicted, they could have faced up to 47 years in prison. (Fortunately, a reality-based judge ruled the Christians were exercising their First Amendment rights and threw out the case.) No other group in America has seen its free-speech rights attacked in similar fashion.
Granted, the foregoing doesnt rise to the level of persecution in Afghanistan (where a man was threatened with death for converting to Christianity), Saudi Arabia (where the New Testament is contraband), or China (where the organizers of home churches are imprisoned). And, granted again, unlike Europe, Christianity is thriving in America.

But to say the presidency of George W. Bush proves the potency of conservative Christians is a real stretch.

Bushs rep as an "explicitly Christian" president is based mostly on the 2000 campaign, wherein he referred to Jesus as his favorite philosopher. Last year, White House "Christmas" cards didnt even mention by name the holiday celebrated by more than 90 percent of Americans. Bush invokes the Almighty no more than any of his predecessors.

Despite a GOP majority reputed to be the love-slaves of Jerry Falwell, its been almost two years since Congress voted a on a federal marriage amendment to the U.S. Constitution. Other than a ban on partial-birth abortion, the political agenda of Christian conservatives has been studiously ignored in our nations capital.

The news and entertainment media, public education, higher education, the judiciary and a fair number of corporations and foundations are in the hands of ideologues who despise Bible-believing Christians, and who rarely miss an opportunity to smear them, to foment hatred against them and to circumscribe their activities.

Give the National Socialists credit for candor. In 1920s Germany, if a Jew had said to a Nazi, "You hate me," the goose-steeper would have replied: "Youre right, Jew. And if we ever get a chance, well kill you." He would not have accused his victim of paranoia, hysteria, disrespecting real religious persecution, and making wild allegations for fundraising purposes.

The war on Christians is real. So too is the medias thoroughly biased coverage of same.

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We seem to be getting a little off-topic here. 1John's OP is considering whether Christians in general are targeted or not. Considering a particular Christian, even famous ones like George Bush, seems to be only tangentially related to the general question.

Also, we have other threads, I believe, where which group killed more people and why is considered, so I think it would be better not to get diverted into that area unless we can link it to the question in the OP.

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We seem to be getting a little off-topic here. 1John's OP is considering whether Christians in general are targeted or not. Considering a particular Christian, even famous ones like George Bush, seems to be only tangentially related to the general question.

Also, we have other threads, I believe, where which group killed more people and why is considered, so I think it would be better not to get diverted into that area unless we can link it to the question in the OP.
I assert that my post was dead-on for this topic. Christians are incessantly bashed by infidels.orgish rants when the incredible amount of true corporate-genocidal muders go without a whimper or mention. Most people on these threads went to secular schools, where the myth of Christian atrocities is stacked up like cord wood.

Please. My view was entirely relevant to the targeting of Christians as being complete reality. I did post things that are verifiable.

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Are Christians being targeted "for real?"
Yes, some Christians are hated AND targeted; but they are certainly not the only people who identify with something that are assailed.

If you openly stand for or oppose something, it can make you or what you represent a target period.
Do Christians endure being hated like no other group?
While certain political tactics are used against some Christians in Western Society, it's clearly not as if they are chased down the streets, running for their lives; in certain parts of the world sadly, that IS happening.

And "Christians" aren't the only human beings who are persecuted, although the reasons or reasoning behind various forms of persecution may vary.

Still, I believe one IMPORTANT thing is to realize that solutions are best sought using methods which are humanizing and non-militant. Some people are just out for a fight (no matter the "cause"), and once fear, anger, hatred and violence take root... things tend to move to a (visceral) level, that few but God or fate can really do anything about.

Love, is the MOST excellent way (that I have found).

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Hollywood used to "love" Christian-themed movies. Qou Vadis won many Academy Awards.

Now?
V for Vendetta is the most explicitly anti-Christian movie to date. Its set in a Britain, 20 years in the future, ruled by a murderous regime of Christian fanatics. (Would Warner Brothers distribute a film about Britain becoming an Islamic republic?) V for Vendetta was the number one box-office draw in its first week of release, and number two in its second, with a cumulative gross revenue of over $46 million.


And what a wonderful time awaits Christians on the opening of The Da Vinci Code!!!

Ahh, targeting Christians is so embraced.

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Somewhere someplace some one hates somebody. There are exceptions there are some small groups of people that don't hate other people. Usually it is because they don't know someone else.
In the USA Christians are not being persecuted or criminalized. If anything they believe they have been in power to long. Sites like infidels are needed in the age of marketing where ideas are sold. Their sales fall far behind TV religions. But this is a world where freedom of thought is still a value. Some insist on living out their thoughts. Not all thought are of equal value and not just the good ones survive.

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I assert that my post was dead-on for this topic. Christians are incessantly bashed by infidels.orgish rants when the incredible amount of true corporate-genocidal muders go without a whimper or mention. Most people on these threads went to secular schools, where the myth of Christian atrocities is stacked up like cord wood.
I went to both secular and Christian, I even spent a year in a graduate seminary studying theology. I now wish I had studied more Church history and less theology.
But I have seen no Christian bashing. Maybe some jokes and satire but they seem pretty even.

I have seen a lot of people being threatened with hell.
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I would "love " to agree with you if we could come to an understanding of love and what it means in any practical coherent manner. It sometimes seems to be an excuse for tolerating hate.

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Ahh, targeting Christians is so embraced.
Actually, I think people are "targeting" the unrelenting and intrusive rhetoric and dogma from certain "Christian" circles, which has had a "free" run in many societies, for a very long time.

And at this point, I don't see what's wrong with questioning what some "say" is "truth".

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Mel: Love, is the MOST excellent way (that I have found).
I would "love " to agree with you if we could come to an understanding of love and what it means in any practical coherent manner. It sometimes seems to be an excuse for tolerating hate.
Yeah, I know what you mean. And more realistically, I can only say that "love" means more to me, than I'm truly able to describe.

Even so, I think the Bible does a decent job of describing what I try to emulate, where love is concerned. Specifically, it was 1Cor13's description of love, that caught me decades ago.

I read that, and thought to give it a try; I haven't been disappointed, in the spiritual sense. But honestly, I can relate to your being skeptical about things, as it regards the "love" of which I speak.

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micatala wrote:Considering a particular Christian, even famous ones like George Bush, seems to be only tangentially related to the general question.
I largely agree with your issue. My point is however that of the leaders of the G8 six of them are self-proclaimed christians. I did not wish to focus the debate on these individuals.

My point still stands that while some the most powerful and most influential men and women in the world are Christian, I cannot feel any sympathy for a point of view that Christians at large are being marginalised.

Maybe the perceived anti-Christian movement is a natural shifting toward a middle ground. It could well be that for many years there has been to high a density of christianity and this is a natural reaction (a great analogy is Margeret Thatcher's anti-Trade Unionism in the 1980s but I am not sure that many on this forum know about that).

btw - Has anyone read the book "How Mumbo Jumbo Conquered The World".

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My point still stands that while some the most powerful and most influential men and women in the world are Christian, I cannot feel any sympathy for a point of view that Christians at large are being marginalised.
But the most powerful and influental men and women are not representatives of the stance of Christians. Ones like George Bush are leaders of muticultural nations not Christian ones he may even be one Christian leading a secular nation. What if a secular leader was to become president next instead? That would mean that they would be the most powerful and I would be unable to sympathise with any of them. Fortunately that's not what I'd do.

And that pretty much is the case anyway; the most powerful countries aren't technically Christian ones but secular, regardless of the religion of their leaders.
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scorpia wrote:And that pretty much is the case anyway; the most powerful countries aren't technically Christian ones but secular, regardless of the religion of their leaders.
You are correct, however this is aside to my point. The fact that the leaders of the G8 are largely Christian points to the fact that Christians are not marginalised because of their faith.

A great analogy here is the point that for many years women have been marginalised. Although this balance has and is being addressed it is pertintent to the point that of the leaders of G8 nations 7 out of 8 are men (The German Chancellor Angela Merkel being the exception). This is indicative of the fact that although great progress has been made in gender equality there is still work to be done.

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