Evolution

[keithprosser3]

Given the nature of reproduction and of natural selection isn't evolution inescapable?
How can evolution not happen?

[Doulos]

[Replying to post 49 by Goat]

Let's see you show that 'The Hand of God' can be seen in nature. How would you know?? How can you test that statement, or is that just the logical fallacy of 'Argument from personal belief', also known as 'argument from ignorance'?

I think you have proven my point for me with your question. Your question oozes positivism - only that which can be proven by science can possibly be true - that is a major fallacy.

Let's leave ignorance out - let's not become arrogant.

[scourge99]

[Replying to post 46 by olavisjo]

What came first, the ability to write genetic code, the genetic code itself, the ability to read genetic code, or the ability to translate genetic code.

Genetic code is essentially a message - all messages have an author - genetic code included. If it does not have an author it popped into existence from nowhere - that is ridiculous to say the least.

Genetic code is produced completely by nature. There is no god dipping his fingers in every organism's DNA everytime there is a change in genetic code. Its just nature and chemistry.

But let me guess, you don't believe in evolution. You pick and choose which scientific findings you believe based on their compatibility with your holy book.

[Wissing]

Let's see you show that 'The Hand of God' can be seen in nature. How would you know?? How can you test that statement, or is that just the logical fallacy of 'Argument from personal belief', also known as 'argument from ignorance'?

Can the hand of man be seen in technology?

[Doulos]

[Replying to post 52 by Wissing]

Can the hand of man be seen in technology?

Very good question.

[scourge99]

Let's see you show that 'The Hand of God' can be seen in nature. How would you know?? How can you test that statement, or is that just the logical fallacy of 'Argument from personal belief', also known as 'argument from ignorance'?

Can the hand of man be seen in technology?

Yes , because we know what things man can make and how they are produced. That is, we have examples to go by for comparison if we question whether something is man-made. We don't have anything to compare for "god-made".

We also have examples of things that seem like nature designed them: for example snowflakes.

[Doulos]

[Replying to post 54 by scourge99]

Yes , because we know what things man can make and how they are produced.

And that is proof that vastly ... vastly more complex beings could not have been created/made/designed???

Plain and simple logic points in the other direction - for sure!

[Goat]

[Replying to post 54 by scourge99]

Yes , because we know what things man can make and how they are produced.

And that is proof that vastly ... vastly more complex beings could not have been created/made/designed???

Plain and simple logic points in the other direction - for sure!

Really??? DO you understand the power of 'variation in reproduction plus selection?"

Take that into account, the so called 'genetic algorithms, and your entire argument falls flat on it's face.

[Doulos]

[Replying to post 56 by Goat]

Take that into account, the so called 'genetic algorithms, and your entire argument falls flat on it's face.

And now you tell me that genetic code miraculously appeared from thin air - dream on. Apart form that - living things form a small part of the universe. In the bigger picture, 'genetic algorithms' can only exist if Someone made it possible.

[Goat]

[Replying to post 56 by Goat]

Take that into account, the so called 'genetic algorithms, and your entire argument falls flat on it's face.

And now you tell me that genetic code miraculously appeared from thin air - dream on. Apart form that - living things form a small part of the universe. In the bigger picture, 'genetic algorithms' can only exist if Someone made it possible.

Did someone make it possible?? Please, show me the evidence that the reason the genetic algorthems worth is that 'someone made it possible'.

And, you are using the logical fallacy known as 'argument from personal incredulity' when it comes to 'genetic code miraculously appeared from thin air', as well as a straw man.

Do you know what the hypothesis are about that? It seems that your responses do not correspond to , well, what is actually thought by the scientists who study the matter.

The response you give also indicates that you do not know the difference between abiogenesis and evolution. I think it would benefit you if you actually learned a tiny bit about what you are attacking first. You would be able to actually address what is said, rather than a creationist distortion.

[Wissing]

scourge99:

You agree that the hand of man can be seen in technology.

However, I would say that technology evolved, and continues to evolve. Evidence is presented a few pages ago in this thread.

Would you agree that technology evolves?