Moral objective values...

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[font=Verdana]In one of his papers, Dr. William Lane Craig (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Lane_Craig) argues moral objective values is to say something is right or wrong independently of whether anybody believes it to be so. If God does not exist, what is the foundation for moral objective values?[/font][/url]

[Artie]

You see the nazi's did lots of horrible things to the people they slaughtered but eventually those horrible things ceased with death.

Just about then your all loving, all benevolent god threw them into a pit of ETERNAL torture because they didn't accept jesus as the sacrifice, scapegoat and saviour.

Yeah god.

Maybe the concentration camps were a way for God to prepare them for what awaited them after death? A sort of warming-up period to help getting them used to the tribulations ahead? I just don't understand how the Jews can be God's chosen people and then end up getting eternally tortured in Hell.

[Artie]

It is one thing to do evil to someone else, but when it is done back to the self then the evil becomes easier to see.

It is moral to answer evil with evil?

[10CC]

You see the nazi's did lots of horrible things to the people they slaughtered but eventually those horrible things ceased with death.

Just about then your all loving, all benevolent god threw them into a pit of ETERNAL torture because they didn't accept jesus as the sacrifice, scapegoat and saviour.

Yeah god.

Maybe the concentration camps were a way for God to prepare them for what awaited them after death? A sort of warming-up period to help getting them used to the tribulations ahead? I just don't understand how the Jews can be God's chosen people and then end up getting eternally tortured in Hell.

That may be because ytou don't understand god? ?

[olavisjo]

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It is moral to answer evil with evil?

Good question. But it is a question that I am not prepared to take a stand on, as I have enough on my plate in just getting people to see that 'the Holocaust was actually wrong, regardless of what people think about it'.

[Bust Nak]

Good question. But it is a question that I am not prepared to take a stand on, as I have enough on my plate in just getting people to see that 'the Holocaust was actually wrong, regardless of what people think about it'.

You'll have way more success if you alter that slightly to "the Holocaust was actually wrong, regardless of what anybody else think about it."

[Artie]

I have enough on my plate in just getting people to see that 'the Holocaust was actually wrong, regardless of what people think about it'.

So what arguments would you use to convince a Nazi that the Holocaust was wrong? Here is a hint... showing him a movie probably wouldn't help. What other objective convincing arguments do you have?

[Artie]

You'll have way more success if you alter that slightly to "the Holocaust was actually wrong, regardless of what anybody else think about it."

Olavisjo says he "knows" the Holocaust was actually wrong. In other words, what olavisjo "knows" to be right is actually objectively right, and what olavisjo "knows" to be wrong is actually objectively wrong and he doesn't seem to understand why everybody else don't "know" what he knows.

[olavisjo]

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Olavisjo says he "knows" the Holocaust was actually wrong. In other words, what olavisjo "knows" to be right is actually objectively right, and what olavisjo "knows" to be wrong is actually objectively wrong and he doesn't seem to understand why everybody else don't "know" what he knows.

Yes, he doesn't understand why everybody else don't "know" that the Holocaust was actually wrong. It truly boggles his mind.

[Artie]

Olavisjo says he "knows" the Holocaust was actually wrong. In other words, what olavisjo "knows" to be right is actually objectively right, and what olavisjo "knows" to be wrong is actually objectively wrong and he doesn't seem to understand why everybody else don't "know" what he knows.

Yes, he doesn't understand why everybody else don't "know" that the Holocaust was actually wrong. It truly boggles his mind.

The Nazis don't understand why olavisjo don't "know" that the Holocaust was actually right. It truly boggles their mind. Their view is just as subjectively valid as yours unless you can provide us with an explanation why your view is more valid than theirs.

[olavisjo]

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Yes, he doesn't understand why everybody else don't "know" that the Holocaust was actually wrong. It truly boggles his mind.

The Nazis don't understand why olavisjo don't "know" that the Holocaust was actually right. It truly boggles their mind. Their view is just as subjectively valid as yours unless you can provide us with an explanation why your view is more valid than theirs.