How is one saved?

[AdHoc]

Some people say you need to pray the sinner's prayer, some say believe in Jesus... is there a clear instruction from the Bible how to be saved?

[pokeegeorge]

Some people say you need to pray the sinner's prayer, some say believe in Jesus... is there a clear instruction from the Bible how to be saved?

What most people do not understand is that Covenant with God is ongoing to the end of your sojourn here on earth...so that these are true:

1) repentance usually is required since it allows us to believe in the holistic sense of pisteuow, or BELIEVING.
2) Belief in Jesus is part and parcel of the sinner's prayer, although what is that specifically anyway, I don't really know...so then I don't ascribe to this prayer specifically but see no reason why it is not valid...OH all right I'll look it up...

Oh, it is not specifically ANY prayer. Well then I guess I didn't miss out on something like salvation after all...
3) Belief is ongoing until the end of your life. This verse on belief does not contradict any verse on belief

Acts 16

They replied, "Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved--you and your household."

...but the key is, this belief is ongoing and increasing...belief in and of itself a holistic word not a simple single affirmation that you made sometime in your life.

Where did that idea come from anyway? Wherever, it was a FALSE concept and in fact Cheap Grace Theology. Look at the verse again. "WILL be saved." Not ARE saved.

Another key is to know that this is a promise from the Living God. This Living God ASSUMES here you will hold up your end. What is your end?

To believe on Jesus and this holistically to the end. I already said it. Why do I say that God ASSUMES you will hold up your end?

He is talking to the whole world at the same time, genius. What ELSE is He gonna do? Say, "Hey John Doh you gonna be saved, but you Stan Hunk ain't gonna make it since you will fall away. My promise is to YOU Sally Mae, and Jenna Dowong YOU can forget alla bout this whole thing."

SO then His promise is to all of us in general, ASSUMING we hold up our end.

What is our end? A butt enhancer? NO, funny our end is FAITH until the end.

[fatherlearningtolove]

I discuss the many Biblical ways a person is "saved" in part of my blog series on hell - here is a summary:
- Childbirth
- Saved through your family members
- Faith that seemingly is apparent when you cry and wipe away tears with your hair and kiss Jesus' feet and pour perfume on them
- Being worthy
- Ask Jesus to remember you
- Confessing
- Believing
- Grace (not by works)

References provided in the link....

[we-live-now]

[Replying to post 501 by fatherlearningtolove]

Read most of it... NICE work putting together and well thought out. Should make some really think.

we-live-now

[Strider324]

51 pages and still no agreement among Christians on this most important of questions. I guess it's no wonder they have splintered into some 30,000 sects - all claiming to have it right.


Seriously, if you can't get the salvation question properly sussed out - everything else is just a colossal circle jerk, ain't it?

[myth-one.com]

There are two type of beings -- natural and spiritual:

There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body. (I Corinthians 15:44)

The characteristic separating natural and spiritual beings is longevity. Natural beings perish while spiritual beings live forever.

All mankind is born as natural beings. All spiritual beings are born of the Spirit:

That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. (John 3:6)

The only salvation from the certain death associated with being born as a natural being is to be born again as a spirit. Once that occurs, that human is no longer a natural body -- as he or she will have an immortal spiritual body.

No human is saved until they are born again, and no one will be born again until the Second Coming of Jesus Christ:

And behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me... (Revelation 22:12)

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... is there a clear instruction from the Bible how to be saved?

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Notice the future tense! Christians are not saved when they accept Jesus as their Savior. At that time, they have their names written in the Book of Life as heirs of salvation:

Knowing that of the Lord ye shall receive the reward of the inheritance: for ye serve the Lord Christ.

That salvation will be granted when they are born again as spirits:

Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

The reward of being born again of the Spirit will be granted at the Second Coming:

And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me . . .

To date there have been zero born again humans in the world!

[myth-one.com]

51 pages and still no agreement among Christians on this most important of questions. I guess it's no wonder they have splintered into some 30,000 sects - all claiming to have it right.


Seriously, if you can't get the salvation question properly sussed out - everything else is just a colossal circle jerk, ain't it?

While agreement would be nice, the authoritative source within this forum is the Bible.

Here is what the Bible states:

There are two type of beings -- natural and spiritual:

There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body. (I Corinthians 15:44)

The characteristic separating natural and spiritual beings is longevity. Natural beings perish while spiritual beings live forever.

All mankind is born as natural beings. All spiritual beings are born of the Spirit as spiritual beings:

That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. (John 3:6)

The only salvation from the certain death associated with being born as a natural being is to be born again as a spirit.

Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

The reward of being born again of the Spirit will be granted at the Second Coming:

And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me . . .

Once that occurs, that human is no longer a natural body -- as he or she will have an immortal spiritual body.

No human is saved until they are born again, and no one will be born again until the Second Coming of Jesus Christ:

And behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me... (Revelation 22:12)

To date there have been zero born again humans in the world!

Can anyone inside or outside of the 30,000 sects refute the above through the scriptures?

Until someone can, the above is the truth according to the scriptures -- under this forum.

[AdHoc]

51 pages and still no agreement among Christians on this most important of questions. I guess it's no wonder they have splintered into some 30,000 sects - all claiming to have it right.


Seriously, if you can't get the salvation question properly sussed out - everything else is just a colossal circle jerk, ain't it?

While agreement would be nice, the authoritative source within this forum is the Bible.

Here is what the Bible states:

There are two type of beings -- natural and spiritual:

There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body. (I Corinthians 15:44)

The characteristic separating natural and spiritual beings is longevity. Natural beings perish while spiritual beings live forever.

All mankind is born as natural beings. All spiritual beings are born of the Spirit as spiritual beings:

That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. (John 3:6)

The only salvation from the certain death associated with being born as a natural being is to be born again as a spirit.

Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

The reward of being born again of the Spirit will be granted at the Second Coming:

And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me . . .

Once that occurs, that human is no longer a natural body -- as he or she will have an immortal spiritual body.

No human is saved until they are born again, and no one will be born again until the Second Coming of Jesus Christ:

And behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me... (Revelation 22:12)

To date there have been zero born again humans in the world!

Can anyone inside or outside of the 30,000 sects refute the above through the scriptures?

Until someone can, the above is the truth according to the scriptures -- under this forum.

Don't you have to first show evidence for your assertion? I don't think you have established that "reward" = "born again".

I could say we all have a 6.5% chance of living forever, it doesn't mean anything unless I show the proof.

[czyz]

"Working with clients in psychotherapy, I often see that the most radical transformation occurs after the clients realization that no one is coming to the rescue. You are responsible for your choices and your actions."

Dr. Nathaniel Branden
Honoring the Self

[AdHoc]

"Working with clients in psychotherapy, I often see that the most radical transformation occurs after the clients realization that no one is coming to the rescue. You are responsible for your choices and your actions."

Dr. Nathaniel Branden
Honoring the Self

I have a goldfish.

Huh?

Oh I thought we were talking about completely random things that have nothing to do with the OP.

Hey Doc when you get done honouring your self let me know and we'll head over to Starbucks for a latte to indulge the anima.

[czyz]

Adhoc--You apparently did not understand the meaning of my post. The thread is titled how is one saved? My post was alluding to the fact there is no one who is saving anyone except ourselves saving ourselves.