Let's cut to the chase. Do you have any evidence?

[no evidence no belief]

I feel like we've been beating around the bush for... 6000 years!

Can you please either provide some evidence for your supernatural beliefs, or admit that you have no evidence?

If you believe there once was a talking donkey (Numbers 22) could you please provide evidence?

If you believe there once was a zombie invasion in Jerusalem (Mat 27) could you please provide evidence?

If you believe in the flying horse (Islam) could you please provide evidence?

Walking on water, virgin births, radioactive spiders who give you superpowers, turning water into wine, turning iron into gold, demons, goblins, ghosts, hobbits, elves, angels, unicorns and Santa.

Can you PLEASE provide evidence?

[LES]

From your last paragraph it's easy to see that you're confused about what's real and imaginary. We have written testimony about the virgin birth of Christ, His miracles, and His death and resurrection. This written testimony has existed for over 2000 years. On top of that millions of people all over the world and in all times since the Lord's resurrection have read this testimony and received a witness from the Holy Spirit that the record is true, that God lives and that Jesus Christ is the only begotten son of God the Father in the flesh, and the savior and redeemer of mankind.

Now what “evidence� do you have that these things are not true? What testimony can you or any other non-believer give – other than “I just don't believe it.�? If you rely on the physical senses and human logic to find truth how are you getting along with quantum physics?

What can we who believe answer - other than the answer Paul gave.

12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.
13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man’s wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

1 Cor. 2: 12-14

[Sir Hamilton]

are you aware that these young earth scientists have earned their degrees from accredited universities? You put alot of faith in these accredited universities and peer reviews...I admire your faith.

Why, why don't you mention some of those young earth creationist scientists, and let's check to see what their degree is in, and what university that they actually went to.

How many of those 'scientists' were applied engineers, computer scientists or mathematicians? And, what is the evidence they use to support their claims?

I gave you a list. Why....why don't you quit playing childish games? Did you already forget the list that i gave you? Do you want more names? Looks like you have alot of homework to do...you need to be getting busy.

You gave me a list,... yet.. it is obvious .. because you can't answer that question, that you can't point to any that are actual scientists working in the field that are properly trained. You don't know the arguments, and you are just using 'appeal to authority'.

Lists of people don't do anything.

I gave you a list of young earth scientists...why are you still whining? What authority are you appealing to?

[Sir Hamilton]

are you aware that these young earth scientists have earned their degrees from accredited universities? You put alot of faith in these accredited universities and peer reviews...I admire your faith.

Are you aware that an overwhelming majority of scientists reject young-Earth creation myths wholeheartedly? There's a reason for that. 93% of members of the National Academy of Sciences don't believe in a personal god. The percentage of scientists who accept evolution and an old Earth is much higher, above 99.8% (citations at end).

So what if you plagiarized a list of names from a tabloid? I bet none of those scientists even published anything for peer-review, anyway. I've checked my online database of my accredited university, which has a subscription to pretty much every journal, and found no religious fables masquerading as real science.

Can you name one piece of work? Just one, by one creationist scientist? Don't tell me it's my homework, like you had the nerve to do to Goat. This is your homework, I assure you. You have come to debate woefully unprepared and we've already helped you out more than we're obligated to.

Delgado, C. "Finding evolution in medicine", NIH Record 58 (15) 28 July 2006

Larson, E.J. and Witham, L. “Leading scientists still reject God�, Nature 394(6691):313, 23 July 1998

I could care less about 93% of the members of the National Academy of Sciences. Their opinions mean nothing to me. What is this?? some kind of popularity contest?? It is estimated that atheists make up about 2% of the world population. So going by that atheism is backwards and wrong.

[Star]

are you aware that these young earth scientists have earned their degrees from accredited universities? You put alot of faith in these accredited universities and peer reviews...I admire your faith.

Are you aware that an overwhelming majority of scientists reject young-Earth creation myths wholeheartedly? There's a reason for that. 93% of members of the National Academy of Sciences don't believe in a personal god. The percentage of scientists who accept evolution and an old Earth is much higher, above 99.8% (citations at end).

So what if you plagiarized a list of names from a tabloid? I bet none of those scientists even published anything for peer-review, anyway. I've checked my online database of my accredited university, which has a subscription to pretty much every journal, and found no religious fables masquerading as real science.

Can you name one piece of work? Just one, by one creationist scientist? Don't tell me it's my homework, like you had the nerve to do to Goat. This is your homework, I assure you. You have come to debate woefully unprepared and we've already helped you out more than we're obligated to.

Delgado, C. "Finding evolution in medicine", NIH Record 58 (15) 28 July 2006

Larson, E.J. and Witham, L. “Leading scientists still reject God�, Nature 394(6691):313, 23 July 1998

I could care less about 93% of the members of the National Academy of Sciences. Their opinions mean nothing to me. What is this?? some kind of popularity contest?? It is estimated that atheists make up about 2% of the world population. So going by that atheism is backwards and wrong.

Are you here to debate or play games? "I don't care" isn't a valid counter-argument. If anything, it's incredulous and asinine.

I was trying to put into perspective for you just how abysmally small your list of scientists are. You can't avoid forming your own arguments in a debate because you think scientists agree without someone countering that a vast majority of the world's scientists actually don't.

The world's inhabitants aren't all experts, therefore, you are appealing to popularity, a fallacy. Also, you are committing a very similar fallacy, of appealing to the authority of your scientists, because you are not demonstrating a knowledge of their science in your arguments. You'll now accuse me of committing the same fallacies, even though I'm appealing to expertise and scientific consensus (which is much different), and on your silly game will go.

https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/appeal-to-authority

[FarWanderer]

You cannot use the techniques of religious beliefs to discover an inhabited universe. You cannot use the techniques of scientific inquiry to discover a god.

What do you mean the techniques of religious beliefs?

[Danmark]

From your last paragraph it's easy to see that you're confused about what's real and imaginary. We have written testimony about the virgin birth of Christ, His miracles, and His death and resurrection. This written testimony has existed for over 2000 years. On top of that millions of people all over the world and in all times since the Lord's resurrection have read this testimony and received a witness from the Holy Spirit that the record is true, that God lives and that Jesus Christ is the only begotten son of God the Father in the flesh, and the savior and redeemer of mankind.

Now what “evidence� do you have that these things are not true? What testimony can you or any other non-believer give – other than “I just don't believe it.�? If you rely on the physical senses and human logic to find truth how are you getting along with quantum physics?

What can we who believe answer - other than the answer Paul gave.

12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.
13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man’s wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

1 Cor. 2: 12-14

None of the evidence you suggest shows the difference between 'real' and imaginary' is convincing. I'm not going to repeat all of the reasons that have come before on this subtopic, [you've got about 274 pages of reading to do] but they are manifold:
Written in Greek, not the language of the alleged participants, contradictory, decades after the 'events', written by anonymous people who were not eyewitnesses and only after Paul passed out and was delirious for 3 days without eating or drinking and awoke with a tale of a fantastic vision. Add to that the failed predictions of returning within a generation and before some of those present would 'taste death.'

Thousands of religions and tall tales of extraordinary events, and you choose this one. Interesting, that only your choice is the correct supernatural story among many.

Anonymous witnesses writing years after the alleged events do not make convincing evidence of even ordinary events, let alone about events that require 'magic' and 'supernatural' forces. Preaching does not buttress the argument.

[Danmark]

I could care less about 93% of the members of the National Academy of Sciences. Their opinions mean nothing to me. What is this?? some kind of popularity contest?? It is estimated that atheists make up about 2% of the world population. So going by that atheism is backwards and wrong.

First you complain about a 'popularity contest' because all the world's leading scientists disagree with you, then you contradict yourself and use popularity to argue 'atheism is backwards and wrong.'

There have been many studies which show correlations between religious belief and educational level. For example, "94 percent of college graduates said they believed in God, but only 87 percent of those with a post-graduate education."

http://cnsnews.com/news/article/gallup- ... e-atheists

[Star]

From your last paragraph it's easy to see that you're confused about what's real and imaginary. We have written testimony about the virgin birth of Christ, His miracles, and His death and resurrection. This written testimony has existed for over 2000 years. On top of that millions of people all over the world and in all times since the Lord's resurrection have read this testimony and received a witness from the Holy Spirit that the record is true, that God lives and that Jesus Christ is the only begotten son of God the Father in the flesh, and the savior and redeemer of mankind.

Now what “evidence� do you have that these things are not true? What testimony can you or any other non-believer give – other than “I just don't believe it.�? If you rely on the physical senses and human logic to find truth how are you getting along with quantum physics?

What can we who believe answer - other than the answer Paul gave.

12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.
13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man’s wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

1 Cor. 2: 12-14

What evidence do you have, other than scripture (appeal to authority), how many people believe it (appeal to popularity), and how old it is (appeal to tradition)? You committed yet another fallacy by shifting the burden of evidence to the skeptic. Tell us what researchers have published their observations of Christian magic in respected and credible science journals, and we'll go from there.

[Joab]

[Replying to post 2726 by olavisjo]

Evidence of thousands of gods.

[Danmark]

In answer to the question, 'What evidence would you expect to see if there were a god or 1000's of gods,' Clownboat is right. It depends on which god one believes in. Gods have been invented for various purposes:
To comfort man in the loss of loved ones.
To explain and attempt to control nature.
As an added assurance of a good harvest.
Gods function like good luck charms.
Gods and the religions that surround them can help authenticate power and
Justify war and taking resources from other tribes.

So I would expect to see a god justified by whether or not he successfully predicts whatever it is he was invented or imagined for.

For most people who believe in a god, they have already determined that all gods are false, all but the one THEY believe in. Which brings us to the chestnut:

"We're both atheists. I just believe in one less god than you do."