Dad, mom ...I'm ...um, I'm gay

[KCKID]

The title/subtitle says it all. This scenario must have occurred many, many times. We've all heard, read or seen instances of this and the types of responses that parents of their gay children have given. While we only seem to have a handful of vocal anti-gay Christians on this forum, I'm genuinely curious as to how they would react if their son or daughter came to them and told them that they're gay. Others, feel free to offer your input.

The question again: How would you (a Christian) respond to your son or your daughter coming out to you that they are gay? Without revealing any more than you need to, has this actually happened to any of you ...either as a gay son/daughter or as a parent?

[Dokimas]

[Replying to post 102 by help3434]

Or God created each one with a conscience or moral compass.

If you think this, then I must ask, what would your god have this person do?

Do as Jesus did when He was tempted.

[Goat]

[Replying to post 102 by help3434]

Or God created each one with a conscience or moral compass.

If you think this, then I must ask, what would your god have this person do?

Do as Jesus did when He was tempted.

How can God be tempted?? There seems to be a contradiction there.

[KCKID]

"'If a man has sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They are to be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads." NIV Leviticus 20:13

And what that is referring to is the pagan practice of male prostitution in the temples of competing Gods in the area of the time. The word 'detestable' that is used is actually comes from the term 'Toevah' in Hebrew, which means 'ritualistically unclean'.
The 'put to death' is a common colloquialism in the Jewish scripture to emphasize the importance, and was not taken literally.. at least for a few hundred years before the second temple.

I do wish Christians would actually understand what the Jewish scriptures were talking about, if they are going to quote it so much.

Below is a YouTube video that explains quite well what you refer to above:

Oh how amusing it is too watch non-Christians (goat) explain scriptures to Christians. It is such a simple verse to understand. It doesn't say anything about male prostitutes in pagan temples. It says that a man is not to have sexual relations with another man...period. Would you like New Testament verses to support homosexuality as a sinful lifestyle? I am sure that you could spin those quite well to....

Ignorance of the scriptures is no defense, Sir Hamilton, and might I say that your ignorance surrounding ALL of the so-called 'clobber texts' is glaringly evident. Goat is correct in 'his' summation of Leviticus and, if you'd cared to watch the video link that I posted (which is even included in your ABOVE response), you would have had this explained to you in detail. If you PERSONALLY don't care for homosexuality or gay marriage or kids 'coming out' to their parents then just say so but don't even attempt to present scriptures of which you are in total ignorance to support this kind of bigotry. Deal?

That said, if you would like to offer texts from the New Testament that present 'homosexuality as a sinful lifestyle' for debate then why don't you start a new thread? I'll debate you on these scriptures any time.

* Do yourself a favor and click on the above video link.

[KCKID]

"'If a man has sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They are to be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads." NIV Leviticus 20:13

And what that is referring to is the pagan practice of male prostitution in the temples of competing Gods in the area of the time. The word 'detestable' that is used is actually comes from the term 'Toevah' in Hebrew, which means 'ritualistically unclean'.
The 'put to death' is a common colloquialism in the Jewish scripture to emphasize the importance, and was not taken literally.. at least for a few hundred years before the second temple.

I do wish Christians would actually understand what the Jewish scriptures were talking about, if they are going to quote it so much.

Below is a YouTube video that explains quite well what you refer to above:

Oh how amusing it is too watch non-Christians (goat) explain scriptures to Christians. It is such a simple verse to understand. It doesn't say anything about male prostitutes in pagan temples. It says that a man is not to have sexual relations with another man...period. Would you like New Testament verses to support homosexuality as a sinful lifestyle? I am sure that you could spin those quite well to....

What I would like is a passage from your Jesus condemning homosexuality. Got any?

As most of us know, Jesus said nothing about homosexuality. However, people such as 99percentatheism are NOW using Jesus' silence on the matter as affirmation that Jesus was against homosexuality/gay marriage ...otherwise He would have said that he was for it!

The mind boggles . . .

[Dokimas]

[Replying to post 132 by Goat]

Matthew 4

[Sir Hamilton]

Oh how amusing it is too watch non-Christians (goat) explain scriptures to Christians. It is such a simple verse to understand. It doesn't say anything about male prostitutes in pagan temples. It says that a man is not to have sexual relations with another man...period. Would you like New Testament verses to support homosexuality as a sinful lifestyle? I am sure that you could spin those quite well to....

Except, of course, it is the JEWISH scriptures you are using that have been mistranslated and hijacked by Christians.

You do realize the Leviticus is part of the Jewish scriptures, don't you?

I prefer Israelite or Hebrew if you don't mind. Oh what a misused and misunderstood word 'Jew' or 'Jewish' is....in the strictest since and the original meaning of the word you are mistaken. A completely new thread could be started on the word 'Jew'.

[Sir Hamilton]

"'If a man has sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They are to be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads." NIV Leviticus 20:13

And what that is referring to is the pagan practice of male prostitution in the temples of competing Gods in the area of the time. The word 'detestable' that is used is actually comes from the term 'Toevah' in Hebrew, which means 'ritualistically unclean'.
The 'put to death' is a common colloquialism in the Jewish scripture to emphasize the importance, and was not taken literally.. at least for a few hundred years before the second temple.

I do wish Christians would actually understand what the Jewish scriptures were talking about, if they are going to quote it so much.

Below is a YouTube video that explains quite well what you refer to above:

Oh how amusing it is too watch non-Christians (goat) explain scriptures to Christians. It is such a simple verse to understand. It doesn't say anything about male prostitutes in pagan temples. It says that a man is not to have sexual relations with another man...period. Would you like New Testament verses to support homosexuality as a sinful lifestyle? I am sure that you could spin those quite well to....

Ignorance of the scriptures is no defense, Sir Hamilton, and might I say that your ignorance surrounding ALL of the so-called 'clobber texts' is glaringly evident. Goat is correct in 'his' summation of Leviticus and, if you'd cared to watch the video link that I posted (which is even included in your ABOVE response), you would have had this explained to you in detail. If you PERSONALLY don't care for homosexuality or gay marriage or kids 'coming out' to their parents then just say so but don't even attempt to present scriptures of which you are in total ignorance to support this kind of bigotry. Deal?

That said, if you would like to offer texts from the New Testament that present 'homosexuality as a sinful lifestyle' for debate then why don't you start a new thread? I'll debate you on these scriptures any time.

* Do yourself a favor and click on the above video link.

I just believe scripture my friend, something you might want to try sometime if you claim to be a Christian. You calling me ignorant and a bigot doesn't help this discussion. Let us look at the words of the apostle Paul "For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompense [penalty] of their error which was meet [due]" (Rom. 1:26-27). Now listen you may want to try and gloss over this or play around with some of the words and change their meaning but anyone with a little common sense knows that Paul is speaking of homosexuality. I am more than happy to agree to disagree with your interpretation of scripture but just because someone disagrees with you doesn't mean that they are a bigot.

[Goat]

[Replying to post 132 by Goat]

Matthew 4

To me, that would indicate the Jesus is not God. Yes, that's where the story about the temptation is.. but.. 'Jesus as God' and 'Jesus tempted' still is a contradiction.

[Goat]

Oh how amusing it is too watch non-Christians (goat) explain scriptures to Christians. It is such a simple verse to understand. It doesn't say anything about male prostitutes in pagan temples. It says that a man is not to have sexual relations with another man...period. Would you like New Testament verses to support homosexuality as a sinful lifestyle? I am sure that you could spin those quite well to....

Except, of course, it is the JEWISH scriptures you are using that have been mistranslated and hijacked by Christians.

You do realize the Leviticus is part of the Jewish scriptures, don't you?

I prefer Israelite or Hebrew if you don't mind. Oh what a misused and misunderstood word 'Jew' or 'Jewish' is....in the strictest since and the original meaning of the word you are mistaken. A completely new thread could be started on the word 'Jew'.

Shrug.. That seems to be your hangup. I consider it the Jewish scripture, and that I am of Jewish heritage. Your.. response is quite telling.

[KCKID]

"'If a man has sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They are to be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads." NIV Leviticus 20:13

And what that is referring to is the pagan practice of male prostitution in the temples of competing Gods in the area of the time. The word 'detestable' that is used is actually comes from the term 'Toevah' in Hebrew, which means 'ritualistically unclean'.
The 'put to death' is a common colloquialism in the Jewish scripture to emphasize the importance, and was not taken literally.. at least for a few hundred years before the second temple.

I do wish Christians would actually understand what the Jewish scriptures were talking about, if they are going to quote it so much.

Below is a YouTube video that explains quite well what you refer to above:

Oh how amusing it is too watch non-Christians (goat) explain scriptures to Christians. It is such a simple verse to understand. It doesn't say anything about male prostitutes in pagan temples. It says that a man is not to have sexual relations with another man...period. Would you like New Testament verses to support homosexuality as a sinful lifestyle? I am sure that you could spin those quite well to....

Ignorance of the scriptures is no defense, Sir Hamilton, and might I say that your ignorance surrounding ALL of the so-called 'clobber texts' is glaringly evident. Goat is correct in 'his' summation of Leviticus and, if you'd cared to watch the video link that I posted (which is even included in your ABOVE response), you would have had this explained to you in detail. If you PERSONALLY don't care for homosexuality or gay marriage or kids 'coming out' to their parents then just say so but don't even attempt to present scriptures of which you are in total ignorance to support this kind of bigotry. Deal?

That said, if you would like to offer texts from the New Testament that present 'homosexuality as a sinful lifestyle' for debate then why don't you start a new thread? I'll debate you on these scriptures any time.

* Do yourself a favor and click on the above video link.

I just believe scripture my friend, something you might want to try sometime if you claim to be a Christian. You calling me ignorant and a bigot doesn't help this discussion. Let us look at the words of the apostle Paul "For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompense [penalty] of their error which was meet [due]" (Rom. 1:26-27). Now listen you may want to try and gloss over this or play around with some of the words and change their meaning but anyone with a little common sense knows that Paul is speaking of homosexuality. I am more than happy to agree to disagree with your interpretation of scripture but just because someone disagrees with you doesn't mean that they are a bigot.

First and foremost my reference to your being a bigot was dependent as to whether you PERSONALLY dislike homosexuals and air these views publicly. THAT, in my opinion, would qualify you as a bigot. Please, read that part of my post again. As for my calling you ignorant ...I use that term in the manner that you present scriptures without having a clue as to their context and/or meaning. You've done exactly what I'm referring to with regard to your above passage from Romans 1:26-27. You merely present words without ANY explanation as to what those words mean or what particular events that Paul is referring to. The reason being is, of course, that you don't know what they mean. You only think you know. And, when it comes to presenting scripture with which to support a particular personal view, that's not good enough.

In the text you mention Paul is undoubtedly referring to the pagan worship practices that began to infiltrate the early Christian Church. These practices involved a great deal of sexual/fertility rite activity - both heterosexual and homosexual - to appease the gods that they depended upon for their survival. They even sacrificed their own children to these idols so sex orgies dedicated to these same idols is not such a stretch. And, they're true. You can read up on everything you care to know about idolatry elsewhere on the Internet. Without this background one can't begin to understand what Paul, Jude, etc. are talking about. This entire topic of idolatry and how it found its way into the early Christian Church requires a thread of its own ...actually one that I DID initiate some months ago elsewhere on this forum. That said, die-hard anti-gay Christians often don't allow FACTS to dissuade them.

You bring up the 'man lying' text of Leviticus 18:22 but you appear to be totally unaware of the preceding text, Leviticus 18:21, that refers to the sacrifice of children to the god Molech. See the connection here? It's referring to idol worship and has NOTHING to do with one's sexual orientation. God doesn't even appear to be so much concerned for the welfare of the children but is more irked that the kids are being sacrificed to a false god. Remember, "Thou shalt have no other god but me ..."? It's all about worship practices here ...the same as referenced in Romans 1:26-27. If in doubt about the context or meaning or the event being addressed in scripture ...then be quiet.