Dad, mom ...I'm ...um, I'm gay

[KCKID]

The title/subtitle says it all. This scenario must have occurred many, many times. We've all heard, read or seen instances of this and the types of responses that parents of their gay children have given. While we only seem to have a handful of vocal anti-gay Christians on this forum, I'm genuinely curious as to how they would react if their son or daughter came to them and told them that they're gay. Others, feel free to offer your input.

The question again: How would you (a Christian) respond to your son or your daughter coming out to you that they are gay? Without revealing any more than you need to, has this actually happened to any of you ...either as a gay son/daughter or as a parent?

[Sir Hamilton]

I find it some what strange for someone who doesn't believe in God to even care about morality. So what do you base your views of right and wrong on?

Empathy and enlightened self interest. Also, morality is a socially and culturally informed construct.

So you base your morality on what is popular in society at that particular time?

[Sir Hamilton]

This thread is about a 'gay child'. For some reason YOU keep bringing in heterosexuals. Let me briefly sum up my position on sex for you since you keep wanting to veer away from homosexuality. God intended sex is for one man and one woman in a committed relationship i.e. marriage. Any sex outside of this marriage and any sodomy within this marriage is a sin in the sight of God. That, if you didn't know, is the traditional Christian stance towards sex. If you want to start a thread on the sins of heterosexual sex then by all means do so. Homosexuals are not properly equipped to engage in sex therefore they must change the intended biological function of certain parts of their bodies in order to engage in "sex".

Homsexuals are not properly equipped to engage in sex..........sooooooooo.........they have to use other parts of THEIR EQUIPMENT TO ENGAGE IN SEX

HUH!!!!


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I am sorry but I have no idea what you are talking about...could you elaborate?

[Danmark]

"'If a man has sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They are to be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads." NIV Leviticus 20:13

This is an inappropriate response. It is a non argument on C and A, per the guidelines. It is also not even a Christian response, unless you believe Christ did not do away with laws in Leviticus like wearing blended fabrics. Why the outrage and the call for the death penalty about homosexuality and not about those vile wool/linen blends?

Ye shall keep my statutes. Thou shalt not let thy cattle gender with a diverse kind: thou shalt not sow thy field with mingled seed: neither shall a garment mingled of linen and woollen come upon thee.
Leviticus 19:19

This picking and choosing among statutes in Leviticus, depending on one's personal prejudices, is a perfect example of the unfairness with which some use their 'scriptures.

[Sir Hamilton]

"'If a man has sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They are to be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads." NIV Leviticus 20:13

This is an inappropriate response. It is a non argument on C and A, per the guidelines. It is also not even a Christian response, unless you believe Christ did not do away with laws in Leviticus like wearing blended fabrics. Why the outrage and the call for the death penalty about homosexuality and not about those vile wool/linen blends?

Ye shall keep my statutes. Thou shalt not let thy cattle gender with a diverse kind: thou shalt not sow thy field with mingled seed: neither shall a garment mingled of linen and woollen come upon thee.
Leviticus 19:19

This picking and choosing among statutes in Leviticus, depending on one's personal prejudices, is a perfect example of the unfairness with which some use their 'scriptures.

I didn't write this verse Moses did who was inspired by YHWH. It gives us a little insight into how YHWH views homosexuality.

[KCKID]

[Replying to KCKID]

I would acknowledge their feelings but tell them not to act upon the feelings as we should not act on other feelings that may lead to sin. The urge to lie, the urge to commit adultery, the urge to steal are real feelings but if acted upon results in going against God's will.

So you would tell them to disobey Jesus and NOT love?

It is possible to love someone of the same sex and not want to have sex with the south end of their digestive tract....come to think of it the north end as well.

While I'm sure that the love shared between any couple that choose a life-time together - gay or straight - involves much more than sex it COULD be argued that 'normal sex' as allegedly designed by 'the Creator' is, while pleasurable, rather 'yecchh' when one thinks about it. That said, what you say above would be the acts that are practiced with more frequency by the majority group of heterosexuals than by the minority group of homosexuals. If you apply your crude remark to heterosexuals that do the very same thing does that make them 'guilty of sin'? If so, what do you intend to do about it ...impose a ban on heterosexual 'north and south' sex acts? Or, does the ban only exist for homosexuals?

You DO realize that your argument - such as it is - is rather nonsensical, don't you?

If heterosexuals practice anal sex then yes they are sinning. I thought this thread was about homosexuality so that is why I targeted that group.

The thread IS about a gay child confronting his/her parents. YOU, however, specifically targeted homosexuals with a sexual practice that could just as well be aimed at heterosexuals. And THAT is what I responded to.

Are we discussing heterosexuals as well now?

We ARE bringing heterosexuals into the mix when you apply so-called 'sinful' sexual behavior as though SOLELY to homosexuals that heterosexuals commonly practice. Come on, S.H, don't play simple . . .

You asked what am I going to do about it?? Why would I do anything about it? Is it my job to be some kind of sex police?

Well, you might be just as zealous targeting heterosexuals for THEIR 'sinful' sexual behavior as you are with targeting homosexuals. And yes, it would appear that many a Christian appears to be some kind of moral cop. Otherwise they would keep their noses out of what couples - preferentially gay couples, it would seem - might get up to when intimate within the privacy of their own homes.

But, anyway, back to the thread topic.

This thread is about a 'gay child'. For some reason YOU keep bringing in heterosexuals.

YOU referred to homosexuals as practicing anal and oral sex which, you said, is 'a sin'. "I" responded to this by reminding you (or telling you if you don't already know) that anal and oral sex is (evidently) a common practice of heterosexuals who FAR OUTNUMBER homosexuals. Savvy?

Let me briefly sum up my position on sex for you since you keep wanting to veer away from homosexuality. God intended sex is for one man and one woman in a committed relationship i.e. marriage.

Well, whether God intended this or not He appears to have had no problem accepting polygamy ...that is one man (perhaps) MANY women. God also doesn't seem to have had a problem with a girl marrying her rapist or young girls being taken by men for sex as 'spoils of war'. See, women were seen as property and not really people per se. So, whether you regard this as my 'veering away from homosexuality' or not you need to know that sex and marital relations were not necessarily what you're wanting to paint them.

Any sex outside of this marriage and any sodomy within this marriage is a sin in the sight of God.

Where is the scripture that forbids sodomy within marriage?

That, if you didn't know, is the traditional Christian stance towards sex.

Sex outside of marriage is SO common that it's almost mandatory. I won't ask for a show of hands from Christians on this forum as to how many of them had sexual relations before marriage (insert 'tongue-in-cheek' smiley face).

If you want to start a thread on the sins of heterosexual sex then by all means do so. Homosexuals are not properly equipped to engage in sex therefore they must change the intended biological function of certain parts of their bodies in order to engage in "sex".

Well, I'm still on the heterosexual theme since I'm about to tell you that 'recreational sex' (the sexual act 'for fun and intimacy' that heterosexuals engage in the majority of the time) and not 'PROcreational sex' (the purpose FOR sex as intended by God) would be no different to similar 'fun and intimate' acts as practiced by homosexuals. HOW this is accomplished is immaterial since the results are the same. So, your argument above fails any reality test.

"'If a man has sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They are to be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads." NIV Leviticus 20:13

Oh Lordy . . .no one - including YOU - CARES about those creepy prohibitions and the over-the-top penalties for disobeying them as found in Leviticus, Deuteronomy, etc. etc., Sir Hamilton. If you DO believe that evil text then you should be out there stoning to death all of those nasty gay people AS COMMANDED BY GOD!

That you and others SO persistently bring up these long since abrogated texts is the main reason that I initiated the "Sabbath" thread. Yes, I can (and DO) argue the continued observance by "God's people" of the Sabbath by using scripture; however, my main aim of that thread is to highlight the hypocrisy of Christians that use this text or that text with which to condemn others while SO hypocritically ignoring the 'inconvenient' ones such as the 4th-commandment.

What "I" believe is this: one's salvation for those that believe the Bible is not dependent on (a) observing the Sabbath, or, (b) one's sexual orientation, be it gay, straight or whatever. For those who believe in Jesus (according to John 3:16) their salvation is assured. Hmmmm . . .next possible thread topic: What does "believing in Jesus" actually entail ...?

[KCKID]

"'If a man has sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They are to be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads." NIV Leviticus 20:13

This is an inappropriate response. It is a non argument on C and A, per the guidelines. It is also not even a Christian response, unless you believe Christ did not do away with laws in Leviticus like wearing blended fabrics. Why the outrage and the call for the death penalty about homosexuality and not about those vile wool/linen blends?

Ye shall keep my statutes. Thou shalt not let thy cattle gender with a diverse kind: thou shalt not sow thy field with mingled seed: neither shall a garment mingled of linen and woollen come upon thee.
Leviticus 19:19

This picking and choosing among statutes in Leviticus, depending on one's personal prejudices, is a perfect example of the unfairness with which some use their 'scriptures.

I didn't write this verse Moses did who was inspired by YHWH. It gives us a little insight into how YHWH views homosexuality.

OR a little insight as to how YHWH feels about the wearing of blended fabrics . . .

[Goat]

"'If a man has sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They are to be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads." NIV Leviticus 20:13

And what that is referring to is the pagan practice of male prostitution in the temples of competing Gods in the area of the time. The word 'detestable' that is used is actually comes from the term 'Toevah' in Hebrew, which means 'ritualistically unclean'.
The 'put to death' is a common colloquialism in the Jewish scripture to emphasize the importance, and was not taken literally.. at least for a few hundred years before the second temple.

I do wish Christians would actually understand what the Jewish scriptures were talking about, if they are going to quote it so much.

[KCKID]

"'If a man has sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They are to be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads." NIV Leviticus 20:13

And what that is referring to is the pagan practice of male prostitution in the temples of competing Gods in the area of the time. The word 'detestable' that is used is actually comes from the term 'Toevah' in Hebrew, which means 'ritualistically unclean'.
The 'put to death' is a common colloquialism in the Jewish scripture to emphasize the importance, and was not taken literally.. at least for a few hundred years before the second temple.

I do wish Christians would actually understand what the Jewish scriptures were talking about, if they are going to quote it so much.

Below is a YouTube video that explains quite well what you refer to above:

[Sir Hamilton]

"'If a man has sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They are to be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads." NIV Leviticus 20:13

And what that is referring to is the pagan practice of male prostitution in the temples of competing Gods in the area of the time. The word 'detestable' that is used is actually comes from the term 'Toevah' in Hebrew, which means 'ritualistically unclean'.
The 'put to death' is a common colloquialism in the Jewish scripture to emphasize the importance, and was not taken literally.. at least for a few hundred years before the second temple.

I do wish Christians would actually understand what the Jewish scriptures were talking about, if they are going to quote it so much.

Below is a YouTube video that explains quite well what you refer to above:

Oh how amusing it is too watch non-Christians (goat) explain scriptures to Christians. It is such a simple verse to understand. It doesn't say anything about male prostitutes in pagan temples. It says that a man is not to have sexual relations with another man...period. Would you like New Testament verses to support homosexuality as a sinful lifestyle? I am sure that you could spin those quite well to....

[Joab]

"'If a man has sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They are to be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads." NIV Leviticus 20:13

And what that is referring to is the pagan practice of male prostitution in the temples of competing Gods in the area of the time. The word 'detestable' that is used is actually comes from the term 'Toevah' in Hebrew, which means 'ritualistically unclean'.
The 'put to death' is a common colloquialism in the Jewish scripture to emphasize the importance, and was not taken literally.. at least for a few hundred years before the second temple.

I do wish Christians would actually understand what the Jewish scriptures were talking about, if they are going to quote it so much.

Below is a YouTube video that explains quite well what you refer to above:

Oh how amusing it is too watch non-Christians (goat) explain scriptures to Christians. It is such a simple verse to understand. It doesn't say anything about male prostitutes in pagan temples. It says that a man is not to have sexual relations with another man...period. Would you like New Testament verses to support homosexuality as a sinful lifestyle? I am sure that you could spin those quite well to....

What I would like is a passage from your Jesus condemning homosexuality. Got any?