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heaven will be boring

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Is there any justification for the idea heaven will be boring?

has anyone had a good experience that was boring the second time because it was better?
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Zzyzx wrote: .
ttruscott wrote:
woodsman wrote: According to bible, faith is belief without any evidence.
This contention cannot be found in the bible anywhere. It is a baseless unproven belief and a foolishness to try to use it against those who know the Bible.
Those who think they "know the bible" should be aware of:
Hebrews 11:1

New International Version
Now faith is confidence in what we hope for and assurance about what we do not see.

New Living Translation
Faith is the confidence that what we hope for will actually happen; it gives us assurance about things we cannot see.

English Standard Version
Now faith is the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things not seen.

New American Standard Bible
Now faith is the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things not seen.

King James Bible
Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.

Holman Christian Standard Bible
Now faith is the reality of what is hoped for, the proof of what is not seen.

International Standard Version
Now faith is the assurance that what we hope for will come about and the certainty that what we cannot see exists.

NET Bible
Now faith is being sure of what we hope for, being convinced of what we do not see.

Aramaic Bible in Plain English
Now faith is the conviction concerning those things that are in hope, as if it were these things in action, and the revelation of those things that are unseen;

GOD'S WORD Translation
Faith assures us of things we expect and convinces us of the existence of things we cannot see.

Jubilee Bible 2000
Faith, therefore, is the substance of things waited for, the evidence of things not seen.

King James 2000 Bible
Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.

American King James Version
Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
That which cannot be seen (detected) is not evidence of anything. Thus, faith is belief without evidence. Hope is not evidence. Belief is not evidence.

Those who think they "know the bible" should be aware of:
Those who've done their Homework know that the Authorized King James Version is the ONLY Standard.

The majority of the newer Translations are Demonstrably Corrupt... which are sourced by Gnostic Codices:

Codex Alexandrinus, Codex Siniaticus, Codex Vaticanus.

And two self admitted Heretics... and by my research, satan worshipers: Brooke Foss Westcott and Fenton John Anthony Hort....(affectionately known as Westcott and Hort).

That which cannot be seen (detected) is not evidence of anything.

Factually Incorrect. Can you "SEE" Software/Information? If you need me to POST IT (You already seen it :cool: ) let me know. Can you "SEE": TRUTH, Knowledge, Logic....do they exist?
Thus, faith is belief without evidence. Hope is not evidence. Belief is not evidence.
Biblical Faith is the exact opposite. You're Equivocating (Fallacy) "Blind" Faith with "Biblical" Faith.

We'll be using the "Biblical" Definition if you don't mind.

(Hebrews 11:1) "Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen."

And is further DRIVEN HOME by: (1 Thessalonians 5:21) "Prove all things; hold fast that which is good."

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Enoch2021 wrote:
That which cannot be seen (detected) is not evidence of anything.

Factually Incorrect. Can you "SEE" Software/Information? If you need me to POST IT (You already seen it :cool: ) let me know. Can you "SEE": TRUTH, Knowledge, Logic....do they exist?
Non-sequitur (fallacy). None of these things mentioned are evidence.
Enoch2021 wrote:
Thus, faith is belief without evidence. Hope is not evidence. Belief is not evidence.
Biblical Faith is the exact opposite. You're Equivocating (Fallacy) "Blind" Faith with "Biblical" Faith.
That would be a fallacy of false equivalence, not equivocation.

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Enoch2021 wrote: Those who've done their Homework know that the Authorized King James Version is the ONLY Standard.
According to whom? By what authority?

Is this speaking for all of Christendom (or pretending to) or just some of the tens of thousands of denominations / sect / cults / splinter groups?

Those who do their homework realize there there are MANY versions of the bible preferred by different Christian groups " and that there is not universal agreement within Christendom that any one of them is the "ONLY Standard."
Enoch2021 wrote: The majority of the newer Translations are Demonstrably Corrupt.
I do not disagree " and question whether any translations or versions are incorrupt.
Enoch2021 wrote: Codex Alexandrinus, Codex Siniaticus, Codex Vaticanus.
Are those early bibles in use by modern Christians? Are most Christians fluent in Greek? If not, how do they know what is said in Greek bibles?
Enoch2021 wrote:
Zzyzx wrote: That which cannot be seen (detected) is not evidence of anything.
Factually Incorrect. Can you "SEE" Software/Information?
An astute reader would notice the word "detect" in my statement. Most of us realize that we cannot see air or ultraviolet light, for example, but we can detect them.

To the contrary, "gods" and their supposed actions cannot be shown to be detectable.

If biblicists wish to restrict consideration to only those things that can be seen by H. sapiens, what do they have to offer?
Enoch2021 wrote: Biblical Faith is the exact opposite. You're Equivocating (Fallacy) "Blind" Faith with "Biblical" Faith.

We'll be using the "Biblical" Definition if you don't mind.
I do not agree. In these debates the bible is regarded as no more authoritative than any other book.
Enoch2021 wrote: And is further DRIVEN HOME by: (1 Thessalonians 5:21) "Prove all things; hold fast that which is good."
Okay, let's start with the storied "resurrection." Then move on to animals conversing in human language, a star stopping over a given location, the Earth being flooded "to the tops of mountains", water magically turning into wine, and a few others.

Perhaps someone will do at Thessalonians directs " starting any time.

Is "proof" taken by religionists to mean "written in the bible" (by unidentified people who cannot be shown to have witnessed what they wrote about)? If so, that may work in church but not in debate.
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sfisher wrote:
OnceConvinced wrote:
Divine Insight wrote:
OnceConvinced wrote: There are only a finite number of facts to learn, so you cant keep on learning and discovering new things, which is one of the things that makes life exciting. After several billion years youll have learnt everything there is to learn and done everything there is to do. A few zillion years after that, youll just be repeating the same old stuff over and over. Youll be begging the almighty for death!
What if you aren't granted unlimited memory?

Then you'll never know that you've done the same things over again umpteen zillion times.
So God will brainwash us every few million years or so? :)
Let's assume that heaven and God exists outside of our concept of time and the passage thereof. If time doesn't exist in an afterlife, is it really like we're there for a million years and more or something entirely different?
Things happen in a linear fashion. That's the way things exist. Eternity is a word used to describe time in a linear fashion. Any concept of a place that is not linear is abstract and I doubt anyone could even fathom how such a place would work. As far as I can see there is no evidence in the bible that there is any such place. Even God did things in a linear fashion. Even the scripture of a thousand days being like a day to God is a linear representation of time.

Society and its morals evolve and will continue to evolve. The bible however remains the same and just requires more and more apologetics and claims of "metaphors" and "symbolism" to justify it.

Prayer is like rubbing an old bottle and hoping that a genie will pop out and grant you three wishes.

There is much about this world that is mind boggling and impressive, but I see no need whatsoever to put it down to magical super powered beings.


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