Is there any justification for the idea heaven will be boring?
has anyone had a good experience that was boring the second time because it was better?
heaven will be boring
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heaven will be boring
Post #1Proverbs 18:17 The one who states his case first seems right, until the other comes and examines him.
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Zzyzx wrote: .Those who think they "know the bible" should be aware of:
That which cannot be seen (detected) is not evidence of anything. Thus, faith is belief without evidence. Hope is not evidence. Belief is not evidence.Hebrews 11:1
New International Version
Now faith is confidence in what we hope for and assurance about what we do not see.
New Living Translation
Faith is the confidence that what we hope for will actually happen; it gives us assurance about things we cannot see.
English Standard Version
Now faith is the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things not seen.
New American Standard Bible
Now faith is the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things not seen.
King James Bible
Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
Holman Christian Standard Bible
Now faith is the reality of what is hoped for, the proof of what is not seen.
International Standard Version
Now faith is the assurance that what we hope for will come about and the certainty that what we cannot see exists.
NET Bible
Now faith is being sure of what we hope for, being convinced of what we do not see.
Aramaic Bible in Plain English
Now faith is the conviction concerning those things that are in hope, as if it were these things in action, and the revelation of those things that are unseen;
GOD'S WORD Translation
Faith assures us of things we expect and convinces us of the existence of things we cannot see.
Jubilee Bible 2000
Faith, therefore, is the substance of things waited for, the evidence of things not seen.
King James 2000 Bible
Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
American King James Version
Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
Those who've done their Homework know that the Authorized King James Version is the ONLY Standard.Those who think they "know the bible" should be aware of:
The majority of the newer Translations are Demonstrably Corrupt... which are sourced by Gnostic Codices:
Codex Alexandrinus, Codex Siniaticus, Codex Vaticanus.
And two self admitted Heretics... and by my research, satan worshipers: Brooke Foss Westcott and Fenton John Anthony Hort....(affectionately known as Westcott and Hort).
That which cannot be seen (detected) is not evidence of anything.
Factually Incorrect. Can you "SEE" Software/Information? If you need me to POST IT (You already seen it
Biblical Faith is the exact opposite. You're Equivocating (Fallacy) "Blind" Faith with "Biblical" Faith.Thus, faith is belief without evidence. Hope is not evidence. Belief is not evidence.
We'll be using the "Biblical" Definition if you don't mind.
(Hebrews 11:1) "Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen."
And is further DRIVEN HOME by: (1 Thessalonians 5:21) "Prove all things; hold fast that which is good."
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Non-sequitur (fallacy). None of these things mentioned are evidence.Enoch2021 wrote:That which cannot be seen (detected) is not evidence of anything.
Factually Incorrect. Can you "SEE" Software/Information? If you need me to POST IT (You already seen it) let me know. Can you "SEE": TRUTH, Knowledge, Logic....do they exist?
That would be a fallacy of false equivalence, not equivocation.Enoch2021 wrote:Biblical Faith is the exact opposite. You're Equivocating (Fallacy) "Blind" Faith with "Biblical" Faith.Thus, faith is belief without evidence. Hope is not evidence. Belief is not evidence.
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Post #33
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Is this speaking for all of Christendom (or pretending to) or just some of the tens of thousands of denominations / sect / cults / splinter groups?
Those who do their homework realize there there are MANY versions of the bible preferred by different Christian groups " and that there is not universal agreement within Christendom that any one of them is the "ONLY Standard."
To the contrary, "gods" and their supposed actions cannot be shown to be detectable.
If biblicists wish to restrict consideration to only those things that can be seen by H. sapiens, what do they have to offer?
Perhaps someone will do at Thessalonians directs " starting any time.
Is "proof" taken by religionists to mean "written in the bible" (by unidentified people who cannot be shown to have witnessed what they wrote about)? If so, that may work in church but not in debate.
According to whom? By what authority?Enoch2021 wrote: Those who've done their Homework know that the Authorized King James Version is the ONLY Standard.
Is this speaking for all of Christendom (or pretending to) or just some of the tens of thousands of denominations / sect / cults / splinter groups?
Those who do their homework realize there there are MANY versions of the bible preferred by different Christian groups " and that there is not universal agreement within Christendom that any one of them is the "ONLY Standard."
I do not disagree " and question whether any translations or versions are incorrupt.Enoch2021 wrote: The majority of the newer Translations are Demonstrably Corrupt.
Are those early bibles in use by modern Christians? Are most Christians fluent in Greek? If not, how do they know what is said in Greek bibles?Enoch2021 wrote: Codex Alexandrinus, Codex Siniaticus, Codex Vaticanus.
An astute reader would notice the word "detect" in my statement. Most of us realize that we cannot see air or ultraviolet light, for example, but we can detect them.Enoch2021 wrote:Factually Incorrect. Can you "SEE" Software/Information?Zzyzx wrote: That which cannot be seen (detected) is not evidence of anything.
To the contrary, "gods" and their supposed actions cannot be shown to be detectable.
If biblicists wish to restrict consideration to only those things that can be seen by H. sapiens, what do they have to offer?
I do not agree. In these debates the bible is regarded as no more authoritative than any other book.Enoch2021 wrote: Biblical Faith is the exact opposite. You're Equivocating (Fallacy) "Blind" Faith with "Biblical" Faith.
We'll be using the "Biblical" Definition if you don't mind.
Okay, let's start with the storied "resurrection." Then move on to animals conversing in human language, a star stopping over a given location, the Earth being flooded "to the tops of mountains", water magically turning into wine, and a few others.Enoch2021 wrote: And is further DRIVEN HOME by: (1 Thessalonians 5:21) "Prove all things; hold fast that which is good."
Perhaps someone will do at Thessalonians directs " starting any time.
Is "proof" taken by religionists to mean "written in the bible" (by unidentified people who cannot be shown to have witnessed what they wrote about)? If so, that may work in church but not in debate.
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Post #35
Things happen in a linear fashion. That's the way things exist. Eternity is a word used to describe time in a linear fashion. Any concept of a place that is not linear is abstract and I doubt anyone could even fathom how such a place would work. As far as I can see there is no evidence in the bible that there is any such place. Even God did things in a linear fashion. Even the scripture of a thousand days being like a day to God is a linear representation of time.sfisher wrote:Let's assume that heaven and God exists outside of our concept of time and the passage thereof. If time doesn't exist in an afterlife, is it really like we're there for a million years and more or something entirely different?OnceConvinced wrote:So God will brainwash us every few million years or so?Divine Insight wrote:What if you aren't granted unlimited memory?OnceConvinced wrote: There are only a finite number of facts to learn, so you cant keep on learning and discovering new things, which is one of the things that makes life exciting. After several billion years youll have learnt everything there is to learn and done everything there is to do. A few zillion years after that, youll just be repeating the same old stuff over and over. Youll be begging the almighty for death!
Then you'll never know that you've done the same things over again umpteen zillion times.
Society and its morals evolve and will continue to evolve. The bible however remains the same and just requires more and more apologetics and claims of "metaphors" and "symbolism" to justify it.
Prayer is like rubbing an old bottle and hoping that a genie will pop out and grant you three wishes.
There is much about this world that is mind boggling and impressive, but I see no need whatsoever to put it down to magical super powered beings.
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