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Why is homosexuality wrong?

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Why is homosexuality wrong?

We all know what gays are and what they do. All of God’s laws are responses to a victim of some sort.

The one lied to is deceived.
The one who is killed is deprived of life.
The one stolen from looses his goods.

In the case of homosexuals there does not appear to be a victim or anyone hurt by the actions of the participant.

Why then does God discriminate against homosexuals?
It appears to go against His usual justice.

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Re: Why is homosexuality wrong?

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Greatest I Am wrote: Why is homosexuality wrong?

We all know what gays are and what they do. All of God�s laws are responses to a victim of some sort.

The one lied to is deceived.
The one who is killed is deprived of life.
The one stolen from looses his goods.

In the case of homosexuals there does not appear to be a victim or anyone hurt by the actions of the participant.

Why then does God discriminate against homosexuals?
It appears to go against His usual justice.

Regards
DL

You are right that sins are usually against others, but not sexual sins. The scripture says,

"Flee from sexual immorality. All other sins a person commits are outside the body, but whoever sins sexually, sins against their own body."

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21 For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22 Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools 23 and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like a mortal human being and birds and animals and reptiles.

24 Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. 25 They exchanged the truth about God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator—who is forever praised. Amen.

26 Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones.
"the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error."

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"Those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires."

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Re: Why is homosexuality wrong?

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DefenderofTruth wrote:
Greatest I Am wrote: Why is homosexuality wrong?

We all know what gays are and what they do. All of God�s laws are responses to a victim of some sort.

The one lied to is deceived.
The one who is killed is deprived of life.
The one stolen from looses his goods.

In the case of homosexuals there does not appear to be a victim or anyone hurt by the actions of the participant.

Why then does God discriminate against homosexuals?
It appears to go against His usual justice.

Regards
DL

You are right that sins are usually against others, but not sexual sins. The scripture says,

"Flee from sexual immorality. All other sins a person commits are outside the body, but whoever sins sexually, sins against their own body."

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21 For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22 Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools 23 and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like a mortal human being and birds and animals and reptiles.

24 Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. 25 They exchanged the truth about God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator—who is forever praised. Amen.

26 Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones.
"the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error."

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"Those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires."

Now, let's look at what that roman passage is saying. It is saying that God gave them those flaws, due to their insisting using pagan rites. .. according to Paul. That was the punishment, not the sin. And, of course, that is Paul's opinion.. writing to a group that he viewed as having specific issues at hand.
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Re: Why is homosexuality wrong?

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Goat wrote:
DefenderofTruth wrote:
Greatest I Am wrote: Why is homosexuality wrong?

We all know what gays are and what they do. All of God�s laws are responses to a victim of some sort.

The one lied to is deceived.
The one who is killed is deprived of life.
The one stolen from looses his goods.

In the case of homosexuals there does not appear to be a victim or anyone hurt by the actions of the participant.

Why then does God discriminate against homosexuals?
It appears to go against His usual justice.

Regards
DL

You are right that sins are usually against others, but not sexual sins. The scripture says,

"Flee from sexual immorality. All other sins a person commits are outside the body, but whoever sins sexually, sins against their own body."

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21 For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22 Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools 23 and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like a mortal human being and birds and animals and reptiles.

24 Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. 25 They exchanged the truth about God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator—who is forever praised. Amen.

26 Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones.
"the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error."

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"Those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires."

Now, let's look at what that roman passage is saying. It is saying that God gave them those flaws, due to their insisting using pagan rites. .. according to Paul. That was the punishment, not the sin. And, of course, that is Paul's opinion.. writing to a group that he viewed as having specific issues at hand.

Nice trying to twist Pauls words there buddy.. it actually says that God gave them up to their own flaws. Actually it says that as a result of neither thanking God nor glorifying God that their hears became darken and thinking became futile. That was a result of their own actions and their own thinking. Because God gives people Faith, God gives Grace, but as a result of ignoring God these men do not revive the faith nor do they receive the grace God gives... Gave gave them up to themselves within their own shortcomings.

Special issues? Paul himself admitted his own sins above everyone. He claimed to be the worse sinner...


no one is without sin, do you disagree with that? Christians believe without God you will be a slave to your own sin.

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Re: Why is homosexuality wrong?

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[Replying to post 1320 by DefenderofTruth]

So why is homosexuality a bad? Specifically how does it hurt yourself? Why does god arbitrarily outlaw it without explaination?
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Re: Why is homosexuality wrong?

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DefenderofTruth wrote:
Goat wrote:
DefenderofTruth wrote:
Greatest I Am wrote: Why is homosexuality wrong?

We all know what gays are and what they do. All of God�s laws are responses to a victim of some sort.

The one lied to is deceived.
The one who is killed is deprived of life.
The one stolen from looses his goods.

In the case of homosexuals there does not appear to be a victim or anyone hurt by the actions of the participant.

Why then does God discriminate against homosexuals?
It appears to go against His usual justice.

Regards
DL

You are right that sins are usually against others, but not sexual sins. The scripture says,

"Flee from sexual immorality. All other sins a person commits are outside the body, but whoever sins sexually, sins against their own body."

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21 For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22 Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools 23 and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like a mortal human being and birds and animals and reptiles.

24 Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. 25 They exchanged the truth about God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator—who is forever praised. Amen.

26 Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones.
"the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error."

-----------------------------

"Those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires."

Now, let's look at what that roman passage is saying. It is saying that God gave them those flaws, due to their insisting using pagan rites. .. according to Paul. That was the punishment, not the sin. And, of course, that is Paul's opinion.. writing to a group that he viewed as having specific issues at hand.

Nice trying to twist Pauls words there buddy.. it actually says that God gave them up to their own flaws. Actually it says that as a result of neither thanking God nor glorifying God that their hears became darken and thinking became futile. That was a result of their own actions and their own thinking. Because God gives people Faith, God gives Grace, but as a result of ignoring God these men do not revive the faith nor do they receive the grace God gives... Gave gave them up to themselves within their own shortcomings.

Special issues? Paul himself admitted his own sins above everyone. He claimed to be the worse sinner...


no one is without sin, do you disagree with that? Christians believe without God you will be a slave to your own sin.
No, it doesn't.. it does not mention flaws at all. You seem to be readin INTO it more that it is written
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Goat wrote:
DefenderofTruth wrote:
Goat wrote:
DefenderofTruth wrote:
Greatest I Am wrote: Why is homosexuality wrong?

We all know what gays are and what they do. All of God�s laws are responses to a victim of some sort.

The one lied to is deceived.
The one who is killed is deprived of life.
The one stolen from looses his goods.

In the case of homosexuals there does not appear to be a victim or anyone hurt by the actions of the participant.

Why then does God discriminate against homosexuals?
It appears to go against His usual justice.

Regards
DL

You are right that sins are usually against others, but not sexual sins. The scripture says,

"Flee from sexual immorality. All other sins a person commits are outside the body, but whoever sins sexually, sins against their own body."

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21 For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22 Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools 23 and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like a mortal human being and birds and animals and reptiles.

24 Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. 25 They exchanged the truth about God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator—who is forever praised. Amen.

26 Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones.
"the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error."

-----------------------------

"Those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires."

Now, let's look at what that roman passage is saying. It is saying that God gave them those flaws, due to their insisting using pagan rites. .. according to Paul. That was the punishment, not the sin. And, of course, that is Paul's opinion.. writing to a group that he viewed as having specific issues at hand.

Nice trying to twist Pauls words there buddy.. it actually says that God gave them up to their own flaws. Actually it says that as a result of neither thanking God nor glorifying God that their hears became darken and thinking became futile. That was a result of their own actions and their own thinking. Because God gives people Faith, God gives Grace, but as a result of ignoring God these men do not revive the faith nor do they receive the grace God gives... Gave gave them up to themselves within their own shortcomings.

Special issues? Paul himself admitted his own sins above everyone. He claimed to be the worse sinner...


no one is without sin, do you disagree with that? Christians believe without God you will be a slave to your own sin.
No, it doesn't.. it does not mention flaws at all. You seem to be readin INTO it more that it is written

I was responding to your post. right? You are the one who was quoted using the word "flaws"
It is saying that God gave them those flaws
Did i misunderstand what you are saying? Because i was responding to you.
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Re: Why is homosexuality wrong?

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DanieltheDragon wrote: [Replying to post 1320 by DefenderofTruth]

So why is homosexuality a bad? Specifically how does it hurt yourself? Why does god arbitrarily outlaw it without explaination?
Thanks for asking.

Homosexuality is wrong, if not for anything more then for parading around your sexuality in spite of God. Being more concerned about who you are having sex with then thanking God for you life.

Thats a problem.

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[color=red]DefenderofTruth[/color] wrote: Thanks for asking.

Homosexuality is wrong, if not for anything more then for parading around your sexuality in spite of God. Being more concerned about who you are having sex with then thanking God for you life.

Thats a problem.
Why isn't it a "problem" for heterosexuals to "parade their sexualities" around? Why is it only necessary for gays and lesbians to hide their sexualities? This is a complete double standard. Moreover, is it not possible to thank a god for one's life and to experience sexuality? There's no reason to believe one makes the other impossible.

Also, why would a god care whether a person was straight or gay?

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Haven wrote:
[color=red]DefenderofTruth[/color] wrote: Thanks for asking.

Homosexuality is wrong, if not for anything more then for parading around your sexuality in spite of God. Being more concerned about who you are having sex with then thanking God for you life.

Thats a problem.
Why isn't it a "problem" for heterosexuals to "parade their sexualities" around? Why is it only necessary for gays and lesbians to hide their sexualities? This is a complete double standard. Moreover, is it not possible to thank a god for one's life and to experience sexuality? There's no reason to believe one makes the other impossible.

Also, why would a god care whether a person was straight or gay?
Do you believe there is such thing as sexual immorality?

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[color=brown]DefenderofTruth[/color] wrote: Do you believe there is such thing as sexual immorality?
Sure. Non-consensual sexual activity (rape) is definitely grossly immoral.

If you're talking about sex between consenting human adults, then I'd say no, morality usually doesn't enter the picture. The only issue would be breaking confidence with one's partner--cheating, which would be unethical. Other than that, sex has no moral status.

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