Peds nurse wrote:
I see God in nature. I suppose, the difference is what we are tuned in to. I am tuned into God's spirit. When I see a flower, I think of it's beautiful color, and the splendor of its beauty. This takes me to a verse where it tells us to not worry. If God clothes the flowers in such beauty, will he not meet our needs as well? So, I say a thank you to God, for his provisions in my life.
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Why does science have to disprove God? Just because we know what makes a flower colorful, doesn't mean that God didn't create it to happen. There is beauty everywhere, and how do we know that someone doesn't see it? Some one dove down into the depths of the sea to experience it, correct? The beauty of the ocean, and the order there, is far more convincing of God's hand, than random chance.
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He speaks to me through everyday things, situations, and people. Once I remember walking, and I asked God to give me a glimpse of how much he loves his people. I was so overwhelmed with love, but for a brief second, that I couldn't even breathe. It brought me to my knees.
HS wrote:Unlike you, I have been to the bottom of the sea, many, many times. The real point is that concepts such as "god" are just unnecessary noise in the system that prevents clear vision and thinking and that confusticate "truth" by providing simplistic answers thus obviating a complete understanding of nature's beauty and function. A detailed understanding of natural selection and evolutionary stable solutions are worth far more both in terms of usefulness and aesthetic appreciation than all the hosannas, hallelujahs, yea Gods, and hail Marys that have been served up since the beginning of time.
Peds nurse wrote:
You are obviously very intelligent H.S., and I gather a lover of science.
I realize that you are a very nice person who is doing what comes naturally to you, but I do not need stroking, in fact, I find it somewhat distasteful in that it is, to my upbringing, rather personal and presumptuous.
No, I do not "love" science, I just recognize it as the best tool available.
Peds nurse wrote:
I am not undermining science, and the usefulness that gives to humanity.
You may not realize it, it may not be intentional, but yes ... you undermine both science and the future of the human race. As long as people are told that there is a more powerful entity who can either destroy or fix at will, they will not grow up and understand and take full responsibility for their actions. We're way past our childhood's end.
Peds nurse wrote:
Spiritually however, it gives nothing, and that my friend is worth more than science can offer in a millennium.
"Spirituality" is neither demonstrable nor demonstrably useful.
HS wrote:Besides, you've got it backward, there is no need to "disprove" God, in fact, it is quite impossible to prove a negative and thus it is absurd to attempt or suggest that it be done.
Peds nurse wrote:
I am going to be honest here, HS, and probably show my ineptness at debate (which I am sure is already known),
If you don't understand the basic concepts of a debate what are you doing as a moderator on a site that is titled: "Debating Christianity and Religion?"
Peds nurse wrote:
but why does God have to be the negative?
That is exactly what I am talking about. God is not the negative, asking to prove the absence of god is the negative, just as asking to prove the presence of god is the positive.
Now, permit me to explain to you the second level of the issue. To prove a positive (e.g. God exists) all you have to do is haul him and in pubic and get him to perform one of his inexplicable magic tricks. say ... part a sea, raise the dead, regrow an amputee's leg. But ... proving the negative (e.g., god does not exist) requires a complete census of every hiding place that he might use, everywhere that he might be able to go. In an infinite universe, there will always be one more hill to climb, one more tree for god to hide behind, or one more rock for god to hide under. Thus ... it can't be
Peds nurse wrote:
done. Clear?
Have the most wonderful night
You too.
"The word God is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses, the Bible a collection of honorable, but still primitive legends which are nevertheless pretty childish. No interpretation no matter how subtle can (for me) change this." -- Albert Einstein -- Written in 1954 to Jewish philosopher Erik Gutkind.
