Where is god?

[connermt]

People say one only has to look to find god.
Some have looked and found god.
Other have looked and found nothing.
To find out why this is, we have to eliminate the variables.
Are we looking for the same god? Since god is intangible, we have to assume YES.
Therefore, god is not the variable.
Who are the ones looking for god?
The individuals.
At this point, it appears the variables are the individuals (rather it's the methods used, or the individuals, we can't say for sure) and we have to work with what we know.
This makes perfect sense, as each person is an individual. This is why ten believers in the same god can see the same issue seven different ways (or 10 different ways or even 1 way). Again, this makes sense if you look at the state of the religion:
different rules, same god
different belief, same god
different denomination, same god
different people, same god.

So, it seems, that 'god' lives in the mind of the individual. No one can prove god is 'real' and can be found here: [insert location here]. The only existing god one can pinpoint is their god that lives in their lives, or, in their mind.

So is it fair to say 'god is in the mind of the believer'? If not, can you point to where I can find god - where god physically is?
If god IS in the mind of the believer, can one truly expect another to abide by it?

[no1special]

[Replying to post 30 by Willum]

No, I got your point. I think everyone on the forum got your point.

You say you got my point so you should be able to tell me what my point is . So please tell me , I have no problem with being corrected because I am the one that would benefit from being correct . I mean it .

[Willum]

[Replying to post 31 by no1special]

Look at the comments by the others on the same statement. We get it.

Just take a moment, calm down, and review what we've said. Don't let this lean into the personal. If you do that, your reaction will be to close up like a box and not consider any opportunities, perspectives or knowledge you may have not experienced before.

And that's really why we're here, right? On the possibility we might be wrong?

[arian]

[Replying to post 14 by arian]

To 'just believe' that God/gods exist is like Z just said above, but belief without evidence and some substance is useless.

Not necessarily . You remember growing up your parents told you not to play with fire ? You could believe them and not play with fire ( you do not get hurt ) or not believe them and play with fire ( you get hurt ). You can believe without evidence and some substance and it would not be useless .

Sorry for this late response no1special, and it's NOT because I don't think you are special, because you are. So better late then never, right?

Yes, as you said, which is same what I said: must have substance, not "Don't touch, .. because I said so!" .. right? Us parents tell our children not to play with fire because of what? Because they will get burnt, right?

Hebrews 11:1 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.

"You will get burnt!" is the substance which comes from evidence not seen yet. It's like us telling our kids: "Trust me, the burn hurts, you do not want to experience it!"

Now lets see where the substance is with Adam and Eve?

Genesis 3:2 And the woman said to the serpent, We may eat the fruit of the trees of the garden; 3 but of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God has said, You shall not eat it, nor shall you touch it, lest you die.

Now the question is, did God explain to them the slow and painful death they will experience? Well my first clue would be that He told them things:

Genesis 2:15 Then the Lord God took the man and put him in the garden of Eden to tend and keep it. 16 And the Lord God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden you may freely eat; 17 but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat of it you shall surely die.

Genesis 3:8 And they heard the sound of the Lord God walking in the garden in the cool of the day, and Adam and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the Lord God among the trees of the garden.

9 Then the Lord God called to Adam and said to him, Where are you?

I mean this tells me that God came at times, like maybe every day in the cool of the day to do what? To chat, to talk with them like we do at dinner with our kids (that is if I can take the phone away from them long enough to have a descent conversation!?)

What do you think?
God bless.

[arian]

So, it seems, that 'god' lives in the mind of the individual. No one can prove god is 'real' and can be found here: [insert location here]. The only existing god one can pinpoint is their god that lives in their lives, or, in their mind.

So is it fair to say 'god is in the mind of the believer'? If not, can you point to where I can find god - where god physically is?
If god IS in the mind of the believer, can one truly expect another to abide by it?

Remember that because of our sin we hide from God, for He is Holy. So it is us that keep God at a distance, we hide while He sends His messengers looking for us.

Well sin multiplied since then, and man has hid so far into darkness that now he can even mock God from the pit by saying: "No one can prove god is 'real' and can be found here: [insert location here]. The only existing god one can pinpoint is their god that lives in their lives, or, in their mind. .. can you point to where I can find god - where god physically is?"

John 4:22 You worship what you do not know; we know what we worship, for salvation is of the Jews. 23 But the hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth; for the Father is seeking such to worship Him. 24 God is Spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth.

25 The woman said to Him, I know that Messiah is coming (who is called Christ). When He comes, He will tell us all things.

26 Jesus said to her, I who speak to you am He.

So God even sent His own Son to take us out of the darkness, and look what we did to Him! .. because man love the darkness rather then the light, and even killed the Light of the world hoping to keep their sins hidden.

John 1:4 In Him was life, and the life was the light of men. 5 And the light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not comprehend it.

If you want a physical god, heck, there are tens of thousands out there, .. if you're gay, well there is one for them too. I believe they call him the genderless-one or Baphomet, the guy with the women's breasts and the horns. The one everyone seems to be tattooing on their skins.

[Danmark]

Remember that because of our sin we hide from God, for He is Holy. So it is us that keep God at a distance, we hide while He sends His messengers looking for us.

[font=Comic Sans MS]This 'argument' rests upon the belief in the existence of God as well as the unproved claim that those who do believe in God hide from him. Even tho' this claim of a God is unsupported, those who DO accept his existence do the opposite of what you claim. They appear to seek him, not hide from him. Many who sought God earnestly were unable to find him. Eventually they accepted the likelihood that he just is not there.
I would say that it is God who is hiding from us,
except,
something that does not exist has neither the ability nor the need to hide.[/font]

[dianaiad]

So, it seems, that 'god' lives in the mind of the individual. No one can prove god is 'real' and can be found here: [insert location here]. The only existing god one can pinpoint is their god that lives in their lives, or, in their mind.

So is it fair to say 'god is in the mind of the believer'? If not, can you point to where I can find god - where god physically is?
If god IS in the mind of the believer, can one truly expect another to abide by it?

Remember that because of our sin we hide from God, for He is Holy. So it is us that keep God at a distance, we hide while He sends His messengers looking for us.

Well sin multiplied since then, and man has hid so far into darkness that now he can even mock God from the pit by saying: "No one can prove god is 'real' and can be found here: [insert location here]. The only existing god one can pinpoint is their god that lives in their lives, or, in their mind. .. can you point to where I can find god - where god physically is?"

John 4:22 You worship what you do not know; we know what we worship, for salvation is of the Jews. 23 But the hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth; for the Father is seeking such to worship Him. 24 God is Spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth.

25 The woman said to Him, I know that Messiah is coming (who is called Christ). When He comes, He will tell us all things.

26 Jesus said to her, I who speak to you am He.

So God even sent His own Son to take us out of the darkness, and look what we did to Him! .. because man love the darkness rather then the light, and even killed the Light of the world hoping to keep their sins hidden.

John 1:4 In Him was life, and the life was the light of men. 5 And the light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not comprehend it.

If you want a physical god, heck, there are tens of thousands out there, .. if you're gay, well there is one for them too. I believe they call him the genderless-one or Baphomet, the guy with the women's breasts and the horns. The one everyone seems to be tattooing on their skins.

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[arian]

Remember that because of our sin we hide from God, for He is Holy. So it is us that keep God at a distance, we hide while He sends His messengers looking for us.

This 'argument' rests upon the belief in the existence of God

Yeah, kind of like the OP: "Where is god?"

as well as the unproved claim that those who do believe in God hide from him.

The OP asks: "Where is god?" not 'G'od, but god, .. small "g". What's he hiding from? Is he asking where is god, as in the tens of thousands of "gods" out there? Are you serious?

We all know that God is both Infinite and Eternal, .. how many Infinite and Eternal godsss do you know? How many Infinites can there be?

Even tho' this claim of a God is unsupported, those who DO accept his existence do the opposite of what you claim.

EVERY god claim is "supported", .. name a god and I will find information about that god.

The ONLY God that is "claimed" as unsupported is our Creator, who is mentioned in the Bible by the Prophets God sent His messages through. Which God is mentioned in the Bible?
The Infinite and Eternal "I Am", and since there cannot exist anything outside, or besides Infinite, religions just trash, and cast this One God aside as unsupported.

We know that each religion supports their own personal god/gods/creators, an since "God" is One, and since everything resides IN this One God, no religion can claim it, or more like "contain Him", so he is cast aside, .. un-containable so un-claimable by religion.

They appear to seek him, not hide from him.

Yes, you are correct, .. they "appear" to seek him:
"Where is He, .. I don't see Him? Oh, I guess you just gotta believe, close your eyes and just say: "I believe I can fly" until that "gut feeling" deep down there you just somehow "know" God exist. And going to church every Sunday helps, because the Minister reminds you where you will end up if you "don't believe"!!

Many who sought God earnestly were unable to find him. Eventually they accepted the likelihood that he just is not there.

.. lol, .. like searching for gravity ay? You can deny it all you want, but looking over into the Grand Canyon somehow you just KNOW gravity is there and tend to tighten your grip on to the railing as you lean over to take a better glance.

I would say that it is God who is hiding from us,
except,
something that does not exist has neither the ability nor the need to hide.

How many people do you know that seek earnestly for things that do not exist?


About your "signature":

The unconscious mind is so unfathomably profound and unknowable it is mistaken for God

If you find the unconscious mind so unfathomably profound and unknowable, how would you describe the "conscious" mind then?

God bless Danmark, .. sorry for the late response my friend.

[JehovahsWitness]

So is it fair to say 'god is in the mind of the believer'? If not, can you point to where I can find god - where god physically is?

I don't believe that God is physical; he exists in a dimension we (humans) cannot see or hear or detect physically. By definition a Creator cannot only exist in the minds of his creation.

Jehovah's Witness

[rikuoamero]

So is it fair to say 'god is in the mind of the believer'? If not, can you point to where I can find god - where god physically is?

I don't believe that God is physical; he exists in a dimension we (humans) cannot see or hear or detect physically. By definition a Creator cannot only exist in the minds of his creation.

Jehovah's Witness

Since we cannot detect this dimension, then any and all claims one might make about this dimension and/or its inhabitants (if any) are null and void (including from yourself), empty and without substance.
How is one supposed to verify any claims you might make about the God inhabitant of this dimension if it is completely inaccessible?
How do you 'know' anything about this God inhabitant at all, if he exists in a dimension that you as a human cannot access, see, hear or detect?

[JehovahsWitness]

[Replying to post 39 by rikuoamero]

Yes, that would be true unless that One chose to communicate with humans, which I believe He has done through the written word of the bible.


JW