What does Intelligent Design prove?

[man]

What does Intelligent Design prove?

I must have asked that question a thousand times in various forms and comment sections and not one single person has ever said, It proves there is a god.

Why is that?

[benchwarmer]

[Replying to post 21 by benchwarmer]

Are you going to just keep singing about what I say, and singing that old tune about my lack of understanding, Or are you going to provide something that can pass as an argument, against anything I say?

Would you rather I sing about what you're not saying?

My argument against what you are saying is that what you are saying doesn't make sense. It's been explained to you many, many times. Not once have you conceded that you are making this mistake about the origin of life and the scientific theory of evolution. You just turn around with another attack and hope nobody notices.

To quote Joey K a post or 2 above:

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[theStudent]

[Replying to post 30 by Donray]

I'm not on trial here.
You drilled me with questions.
I answered them, for which you respond as though they were not answers, and then mention things that you didn't ask.

I asked you one simple question, and you refuse to answer?
And now you ignore the previous answers, and ask more questions, along with those answered?

Are you going to answer the question?

[Donray]

[Replying to post 30 by Donray]

I'm not on trial here.
You drilled me with questions.
I answered them, for which you respond as though they were not answers, and then mention things that you didn't ask.

I asked you one simple question, and you refuse to answer?
And now you ignore the previous answers, and ask more questions, along with those answered?

Are you going to answer the question?

You are a typical Christian that really does not understand there God.

What one simple question did you ask? In all illogical response I might have missed it.

I will be glad to answer unlike you that have answered none of my question to you.

You have failed to answer because it shows that your god could not have been an intelligent designer.

[theStudent]

[Replying to post 30 by Donray]

I'm not on trial here.
You drilled me with questions.
I answered them, for which you respond as though they were not answers, and then mention things that you didn't ask.

I asked you one simple question, and you refuse to answer?
And now you ignore the previous answers, and ask more questions, along with those answered?

Are you going to answer the question?

You are a typical Christian that really does not understand there God.

What one simple question did you ask? In all illogical response I might have missed it.

I will be glad to answer unlike you that have answered none of my question to you.

You have failed to answer because it shows that your god could not have been an intelligent designer.

Your questions:

theStudent:

Why did you not address the issues of why your god would have designed a brain that malfunctions about 25% of the time?

Why would an intelligent designer create man with a weak back that causes problems in over 30% of people. What about knee joints that don't last?

Why did you god create cancer? Explain why an intelligent designer would create cancer?

My answers:

...why your god would have designed a brain that malfunctions about 25% of the time?
1. Didn't happen.

Why would an intelligent designer create man with a weak back that causes problems in over 30% of people. What about knee joints that don't last?
2. Didn't happen.

Why did you god create cancer? Explain why an intelligent designer would create cancer?
3. Didn't happen.

Where did you get this stuff from?

Note* - I asked a question here.

The question I asked is found here - click me.

[Donray]

[Replying to post 34 by theStudent]

Your question was: I never saw any information that says God created faulty brains.

There is no information on this. Mental illness exists and you say the God created man and his faulty brains therefore either God created faulty brains or evolution applies and some people are born with faulty brains. If ones believes God created man then God created faulty brains. What other explanation is there?

Tell me why there is cancer? Again if you believe that God created man then God also created cancer. If this is not true what created cancer?

You failed to answer why God created Black Holes. If you dont think God did this then explain what did.

You failed to address why God crested virus. If you dont think God did this then explain what did.


Or, don't you believe God created life and it is all evolution.

[man]

[Replying to post 12 by man]

I think I now understand your question.
I had to do some research on ID, and realized it was different to the intelligent design I had in mind.
This is not what I had in mind.
The New York Times Magazine. Writer Claudia Wallis stated that intelligent design proponents are careful not to bring God into the discussion. And Newsweek magazine commented that I.D. has nothing to say on the existence and identity of the designer.

When I say intelligent design, I am referring to design by an intelligent being.
I guess I will have to use a different term.

So to answer your question, I can't speak for ID promoters, but if you ask me how can an intelligence creator be useful, I would say the expression alone provides the answer.

Now it appears, I have jumped in the wrong thread.

Just to clarify ID and Intelligent Design are exactly the same thing.

Let me ask you a different question, how can an Intelligent Creator be useful to us?

Is it because more people would believe in god and that would make the world a better place?

[man]

[Replying to post 12 by man]

I think I now understand your question.
I had to do some research on ID, and realized it was different to the intelligent design I had in mind.
This is not what I had in mind.
The New York Times Magazine. Writer Claudia Wallis stated that intelligent design proponents are careful not to bring God into the discussion. And Newsweek magazine commented that I.D. has nothing to say on the existence and identity of the designer.

When I say intelligent design, I am referring to design by an intelligent being.
I guess I will have to use a different term.

So to answer your question, I can't speak for ID promoters, but if you ask me how can an intelligence creator be useful, I would say the expression alone provides the answer.

Now it appears, I have jumped in the wrong thread.

Just to clarify ID and Intelligent Design are exactly the same thing.

Let me ask you a different question, how can an Intelligent Creator be useful to us?

Is it because more people would believe in god and that would make the world a better place?

[Goat]

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https://www.jw.org/en/publications/maga ... t_index]=0
For more than a decade, Frdric Dumoulin has worked in the field of pharmaceutical research at Ghent University in Belgium. At one time he was an atheist. But later Frdric became convinced that God created life.

My Conclusion
Just this one piece of evidence convinces me that B, intelligent design, has been demonstrated. Especially when I place it alongside other proven facts - A simple house requires a builder, how much more a complex brain requires, a master builder, a mathematical genius, if you will. Not blind chance.

This is one big huge logical fallacy known as 'argument from personal incredulity', also known as 'argument from ignorance'.

Basically, it can be summed up as 'It's too complex, and I don't understand how it could be, therefore xxxx'.

IN this case , xxxx is 'God did it'.

[benchwarmer]

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https://www.jw.org/en/publications/maga ... t_index]=0
For more than a decade, Frdric Dumoulin has worked in the field of pharmaceutical research at Ghent University in Belgium. At one time he was an atheist. But later Frdric became convinced that God created life.

My Conclusion
Just this one piece of evidence convinces me that B, intelligent design, has been demonstrated. Especially when I place it alongside other proven facts - A simple house requires a builder, how much more a complex brain requires, a master builder, a mathematical genius, if you will. Not blind chance.

This is one big huge logical fallacy known as 'argument from personal incredulity', also known as 'argument from ignorance'.

Basically, it can be summed up as 'It's too complex, and I don't understand how it could be, therefore xxxx'.

IN this case , xxxx is 'God did it'.

I also found it interesting when I read the linked article. There's a drinking game in here somewhere I think. Read the article and every time you see something that has been posted in this or similar threads take a drink.

One tidbit from the article:

So when I was taught the evolution theory at school, I concluded that life originated by natural processes.

Apparently he wasn't paying attention in school either. At least now I have a sense where all this confusion about evolution and abiogenesis is being lifted from.

Basically, what I get from the following quote from above:

My Conclusion
Just this one piece of evidence convinces me that B, intelligent design, has been demonstrated. Especially when I place it alongside other proven facts - A simple house requires a builder, how much more a complex brain requires, a master builder, a mathematical genius, if you will. Not blind chance.

Is:

Look, someone who did some science has changed his mind! Evidence that God is real!!!

Wow, some solid evidence there. It will be interesting to see what experiments can be produced that will reproduce said evidence. Do you just buy the guy a burger and get him to say it again? Amazing, repeatable evidence! ](*,)

[man]

I have a question, does Intelligent Design apply only to living things?