What does Intelligent Design prove?
I must have asked that question a thousand times in various forms and comment sections and not one single person has ever said, It proves there is a god.
Why is that?
What does Intelligent Design prove?
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Re: What does Intelligent Design prove?
Post #111[Replying to post 107 by theStudent]
You've not responded yet to my direct challenge presented to you in my post # 108.
You've not responded yet to my direct challenge presented to you in my post # 108.
It has been 4 days since my post # 108. Please provide your answer or with draw your claim of your god's supernatural powers & being the designer of creation.RonE wrote: [Replying to post 107 by theStudent]
If that is your reply to my request:
Then you failed miserably.theStudent wrote: [Replying to post 103 by RonE]
What else can I say but...to get your answer.As you know [strike]from all your knowledge from studying science & evolution[/strike] it doesn't work that way. Maybe you should repeat some of that material or some of those other posts [strike]correcting you on this site on these issues.[/strike]
Take care.
[Replying to post 95 by theStudent]I ask in post #91: (bold added for emphasis)I think that is clear enough.Okay, so let's go back to the idea of intelligent design. Since you are so well versed in science and scientific methods I challenge you to give me a scientific based proof that your god exists. This has to conform to generally accepted scientific methods, you know what they are cause you have studied science and you like science. So here's your chance. You cannot have intelligent design without a designer so prove your designer exists.
You made an extraordinary claim of intelligent design, with your god as the creator, your god who supposedly has supernatural powers, another extraordinary claim. I asked you to provide evidence that your creator exists.
You've claimed him to have supernatural powers. That the claim is to supernatural powers doesn't excuse your inability to provide the evidence. You must either provide the evidence or retract both claims.
Perhaps you've lost track of forum rule #5: Support your assertions/arguments with evidence. Do not persist in making a claim without supporting it. All unsupported claims can be challenged for supporting evidence. Opinions require no support, but they should not be considered as valid to any argument, nor will they be considered as legitimate support for any claim.
You've made claims as to the supernatural nature of your god, specifically creation claims. Please provide valid scientific evidence to support your claims or retract them.
You claim your god is responsible for intelligent design, yet you have not provided evidence as requested to support the existence of your god.
*"On the other hand, we have people who are believers who are so completely sold on the literal interpretation of the first book of the Bible that they are rejecting very compelling scientific data about the age of the earth and the relatedness of living beings." Francis S. Collins, M.D., Ph.D.
*The Atheist has the comfort of no fears for an afterlife and lacks any compulsion to blow himself up.
* Science flies to you the moon.... religion flies you into buildings.
* Faith isn’t a virtue; it is the glorification of voluntary ignorance.
*The Atheist has the comfort of no fears for an afterlife and lacks any compulsion to blow himself up.
* Science flies to you the moon.... religion flies you into buildings.
* Faith isn’t a virtue; it is the glorification of voluntary ignorance.
Post #113
[Replying to post 112 by Donray]
Actually he is active on some other topics, just avoiding this one he cannot deal with. Check his profile for current activities. I've posted to him earlier today.
Actually he is active on some other topics, just avoiding this one he cannot deal with. Check his profile for current activities. I've posted to him earlier today.
*"On the other hand, we have people who are believers who are so completely sold on the literal interpretation of the first book of the Bible that they are rejecting very compelling scientific data about the age of the earth and the relatedness of living beings." Francis S. Collins, M.D., Ph.D.
*The Atheist has the comfort of no fears for an afterlife and lacks any compulsion to blow himself up.
* Science flies to you the moon.... religion flies you into buildings.
* Faith isn’t a virtue; it is the glorification of voluntary ignorance.
*The Atheist has the comfort of no fears for an afterlife and lacks any compulsion to blow himself up.
* Science flies to you the moon.... religion flies you into buildings.
* Faith isn’t a virtue; it is the glorification of voluntary ignorance.
Post #114
I guess theStudent cannot logically defend ID.
I would like to have a logically discussion one time with someone that can back up ID with the complete theory.
Like Evolution has enough facts to create a timeline I would to see the ID timeline that almost all the ID supporters agree with.
I have not found one Christian that will discuss the logic of ID. Like you said all the have is God exists and therefore MUST have created the universe. Even Crag cannot say out of material God created the universe. Totally cannot describe the material the God is made of and how its brain functions.
MAGIC
I would like to have a logically discussion one time with someone that can back up ID with the complete theory.
Like Evolution has enough facts to create a timeline I would to see the ID timeline that almost all the ID supporters agree with.
I have not found one Christian that will discuss the logic of ID. Like you said all the have is God exists and therefore MUST have created the universe. Even Crag cannot say out of material God created the universe. Totally cannot describe the material the God is made of and how its brain functions.
MAGIC
Post #115
[Replying to post 114 by Donray]
thestudent's new topic is Belief in existence of God scientific. Denial - unscientific under the science & religion section, check it out, very entertaining reading.
thestudent's new topic is Belief in existence of God scientific. Denial - unscientific under the science & religion section, check it out, very entertaining reading.
*"On the other hand, we have people who are believers who are so completely sold on the literal interpretation of the first book of the Bible that they are rejecting very compelling scientific data about the age of the earth and the relatedness of living beings." Francis S. Collins, M.D., Ph.D.
*The Atheist has the comfort of no fears for an afterlife and lacks any compulsion to blow himself up.
* Science flies to you the moon.... religion flies you into buildings.
* Faith isn’t a virtue; it is the glorification of voluntary ignorance.
*The Atheist has the comfort of no fears for an afterlife and lacks any compulsion to blow himself up.
* Science flies to you the moon.... religion flies you into buildings.
* Faith isn’t a virtue; it is the glorification of voluntary ignorance.
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Post #116
[Replying to post 115 by RonE]
theStudent has simply had to learn to change his tactics. After being hit with a wall of evidence supporting evolution, it's sensible that any theist would have to move the goalposts, and instead require us to disprove their god as opposed to 'prove' evolution.
theStudent has simply had to learn to change his tactics. After being hit with a wall of evidence supporting evolution, it's sensible that any theist would have to move the goalposts, and instead require us to disprove their god as opposed to 'prove' evolution.
Post #117
[Replying to post 116 by Neatras]
Yes, pretty predictable really. And I don't think it's working out to well for him. It's certainly an active topic right now.
Yes, pretty predictable really. And I don't think it's working out to well for him. It's certainly an active topic right now.
*"On the other hand, we have people who are believers who are so completely sold on the literal interpretation of the first book of the Bible that they are rejecting very compelling scientific data about the age of the earth and the relatedness of living beings." Francis S. Collins, M.D., Ph.D.
*The Atheist has the comfort of no fears for an afterlife and lacks any compulsion to blow himself up.
* Science flies to you the moon.... religion flies you into buildings.
* Faith isn’t a virtue; it is the glorification of voluntary ignorance.
*The Atheist has the comfort of no fears for an afterlife and lacks any compulsion to blow himself up.
* Science flies to you the moon.... religion flies you into buildings.
* Faith isn’t a virtue; it is the glorification of voluntary ignorance.
Post #118
[Replying to all:]
It does appear that thestudent has abandoned this topic with several open questions that he has not replied to.
What do we do in these forums when someone abandons/withdraws from their own debate
while refusing to answer the questions asked?
It does appear that thestudent has abandoned this topic with several open questions that he has not replied to.
What do we do in these forums when someone abandons/withdraws from their own debate
while refusing to answer the questions asked?
*"On the other hand, we have people who are believers who are so completely sold on the literal interpretation of the first book of the Bible that they are rejecting very compelling scientific data about the age of the earth and the relatedness of living beings." Francis S. Collins, M.D., Ph.D.
*The Atheist has the comfort of no fears for an afterlife and lacks any compulsion to blow himself up.
* Science flies to you the moon.... religion flies you into buildings.
* Faith isn’t a virtue; it is the glorification of voluntary ignorance.
*The Atheist has the comfort of no fears for an afterlife and lacks any compulsion to blow himself up.
* Science flies to you the moon.... religion flies you into buildings.
* Faith isn’t a virtue; it is the glorification of voluntary ignorance.
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Post #119
[Replying to post 118 by RonE]
As is customary, these topics are swept under the rug and ignored in favor of more 'palatable' appearances. They'll be back in future threads, making similar claims and having to have the facts repeatedly presented to them.
As is customary, these topics are swept under the rug and ignored in favor of more 'palatable' appearances. They'll be back in future threads, making similar claims and having to have the facts repeatedly presented to them.
Post #120
[Replying to post 119 by Neatras]
To bad. Maybe some kind of scoreboard for this site:
Theists ....................0
Anti-theist ...9,999,999
Okay, just my fantasy.
To bad. Maybe some kind of scoreboard for this site:
Theists ....................0
Anti-theist ...9,999,999
Okay, just my fantasy.
*"On the other hand, we have people who are believers who are so completely sold on the literal interpretation of the first book of the Bible that they are rejecting very compelling scientific data about the age of the earth and the relatedness of living beings." Francis S. Collins, M.D., Ph.D.
*The Atheist has the comfort of no fears for an afterlife and lacks any compulsion to blow himself up.
* Science flies to you the moon.... religion flies you into buildings.
* Faith isn’t a virtue; it is the glorification of voluntary ignorance.
*The Atheist has the comfort of no fears for an afterlife and lacks any compulsion to blow himself up.
* Science flies to you the moon.... religion flies you into buildings.
* Faith isn’t a virtue; it is the glorification of voluntary ignorance.
