Atheism, the art of defying logic, reason and commonsense.

[E.G]

[center]Atheism: the art of defying logic, reason and commonsense[/center]

Throughout my years of traveling and meeting different people, I have also met atheists, among whom I have made friends. I have also realized that there are three different groups of atheists:

1- Those, who have been hurt, offended or disappointed in church, and the so called people of God.

2- Those, who could not resist or break free from their families pressure; they gave in, following the non-belief ideology, which was imposed on them.

3- The third is a smart bunch, want to make a "splash" or make money challenging the big guy God. This way they would look bigger and smarter to impress, or to make speeches and write books to gain fame and make money.

What is the common thread among these three groups?

In two word: emotional reaction.

Let us switch our magnificent mind to the channel reads Neutral, where we can come to conclusions that are most beneficial, first and for most, to ourselves, our peace of mind and potential prosperity.


Definitions:

Logic is a systematic approach to a problem.

Reason is basically answering the question why. It implies rationality.

Common sense is exercising good sense and sound judgment in practical matters.


- We depend on air, every second, to continue to live, but we cant see Air, why cant be there a God whom we cant see but feel his present? (Reason).

- We came from apes and survival is for the fittest. Why then, as human species we have, for generations, an acceptable system of passing inheritance to succeeding generations? This defies the concept of survival is for the fittest, since it gives some people advantages over others, also makes them depended on those who pass the inheritance (thus, they are not necessarily the fittest). (Logic).

- If life came about as a result of a big bang theory: Our universe is thought to have begun as an infinitesimally small, infinitely hot, infinitely dense- a miracle. Where did it come from? We don't know. Why did it appear? We don't know. After its initial appearance, it apparently inflated (the "Big Bang") http://www.big-bang-theory.com/.

So, the question is, if that is how it came about, what would stop this phenomenon from happening again? And what could be the results? A major explosion covering the entire universe? This appears to contradict having an order in the universe as many scientists have testified. If we (the human species) were a product of such a disorderly "Big Bang", how come then we always seek harmony and order for our lives? (Common sense).

[rikuoamero]

[Replying to post 1 by E.G]

1- Those, who have been hurt, offended or disappointed in church, and the so called people of God.

2- Those, who could not resist or break free from their families pressure; they gave in, following the non-belief ideology, which was imposed on them.

3- The third is a smart bunch, want to make a "splash" or make money challenging the big guy God. This way they would look bigger and smarter to impress, or to make speeches and write books to gain fame and make money.

Which group do I fall in, using your rather poor reasoning? I wasn't hurt, offended or disappointed by the church. My family is Christian, last I checked. And since I'm anonymous on this website, I can't be accused of wanting to make a splash or make money.

[rikuoamero]

[Replying to post 10 by OnceConvinced]

So you on the other hand would rather believe that some magical being said abracadabra one day and it was all created by magic? How logical and rational is that?

In case anyone tries to mock you, OC, for the above, abracadabra is derived from Aramaic: Avrah KaDabra which means I will create as I speak.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abracadabra#Etymology

[rikuoamero]

[Replying to post 11 by E.G]

So, where did the teaching
Quote:

humans are all sinners who have turned against God and lust to do evil things
come from?

The answer is very simple and can be drawn from your previous post #5, it is the corrupt elements of religion and those who twist the pure teaching of the Bible for personal gain.

Oh, so YOU'RE the one with the correct interpretation of Holy Scripture, and all those other guys who talked about all humans being sinners, they got it wrong?
Why didn't you say so?

[rikuoamero]

[Replying to post 19 by JehovahsWitness]

None of us were present to witness these events and since they defy the laws the govern our universe

Rather, it defies the laws that govern the universe as we understand them at present. Your statement there has the not so hidden assumption that we have a complete understanding of physical laws and that here there's this thing called a singularity that happens to defy them anyway.

[KenRU]

[center]Atheism: the art of defying logic, reason and commonsense[/center]

Throughout my years of traveling and meeting different people, I have also met atheists, among whom I have made friends. I have also realized that there are three different groups of atheists:

1- Those, who have been hurt, offended or disappointed in church, and the so called people of God.

As a believer, I was not hurt, offended nor disappointed by the church.

This one does not apply to me.

2- Those, who could not resist or break free from their families pressure; they gave in, following the non-belief ideology, which was imposed on them.

Parents Catholic. I was brought up Catholic.

This does not apply to me either.

3- The third is a smart bunch, want to make a "splash" or make money challenging the big guy God. This way they would look bigger and smarter to impress, or to make speeches and write books to gain fame and make money.

I wish I knew how to make money on my atheism, lol, but no, this is not why I left Catholicism. I lost my faith, and it was not caused by greed, lol. This a silly category, if you ask me. Who really became an atheist to make money?

Really?

What is the common thread among these three groups?

In two word: emotional reaction.

Let us switch our magnificent mind to the channel reads Neutral, where we can come to conclusions that are most beneficial, first and for most, to ourselves, our peace of mind and potential prosperity.


Definitions:

Logic is a systematic approach to a problem.

Reason is basically answering the question why. It implies rationality.

Common sense is exercising good sense and sound judgment in practical matters.


- We depend on air, every second, to continue to live, but we cant see Air, why cant be there a God whom we cant see but feel his present? (Reason).

Wrong question. Why do you think there is a need for a personal god? Isn't this just arrogance talking?

If you can believe god is eternal, why can't matter (in some form or another) also be eternal?

- We came from apes

We did NOT come from apes. Apes and humans share a common ancestor.

and survival is for the fittest. Why then, as human species we have, for generations, an acceptable system of passing inheritance to succeeding generations? This defies the concept of survival is for the fittest, since it gives some people advantages over others, also makes them depended on those who pass the inheritance (thus, they are not necessarily the fittest). (Logic).

Failed logic. It is completely natural for parents to care for their young, and want them to survive beyond the life of the parents. This gives those genes the best means of continuing on.

This is the equivalent of saying: in nature, if a lioness sees another pride with more young then hers, she should protect them because more will survive.

Poor logic.

- If life came about as a result of a big bang theory: Our universe is thought to have begun as an infinitesimally small, infinitely hot, infinitely dense- a miracle. Where did it come from? We don't know. Why did it appear? We don't know. After its initial appearance, it apparently inflated (the "Big Bang") http://www.big-bang-theory.com/.

So, the question is, if that is how it came about, what would stop this phenomenon from happening again? And what could be the results? A major explosion covering the entire universe? This appears to contradict having an order in the universe as many scientists have testified. If we (the human species) were a product of such a disorderly "Big Bang", how come then we always seek harmony and order for our lives? (Common sense).

Not knowing the answer is far better than shoehorning in an preconceived answer and PRETENDING a book written over a thousand years ago knows the answer.


-all the best

[Inigo Montoya]

[Replying to post 1 by E.G]

I agree that atheism demand a degree of faith as it presumes an event that defies both logic and the law of physics:

SINGULARITY: The theory that an infintesimal point of singularity always existed for all eterntiy in a totally stable condition suddenly exploded into change defies the law of inertia (things that are at rest stay at rest unless unless acted upon by a net unbalanced force).

Even the idea of a chaotic and disordered universe denies the reality that even the existence inanimate objects in the universe would be impossible without an extremely precise set of natural "laws": laws of gravitation, motion, thermodynamics, fluid behaviour etc.

None of us were present to witness these events and since they defy the laws the govern our universe anyone believing them is calling on a measure of faith. Atheism simply demands more faith and less common sense than theism.

JW

You only wrote three sentences in this post and all three were incorrect.

Outstanding.

[OnceConvinced]

[Replying to post 1 by E.G]

I agree that atheism demand a degree of faith as it presumes an event that defies both logic and the law of physics:

SINGULARITY: The theory that an infintesimal point of singularity always existed for all eterntiy in a totally stable condition suddenly exploded into change defies the law of inertia (things that are at rest stay at rest unless unless acted upon by a net unbalanced force).

Even the idea of a chaotic and disordered universe denies the reality that even the existence inanimate objects in the universe would be impossible without an extremely precise set of natural "laws": laws of gravitation, motion, thermodynamics, fluid behaviour etc.

None of us were present to witness these events and since they defy the laws the govern our universe anyone believing them is calling on a measure of faith. Atheism simply demands more faith and less common sense than theism.

JW

What? More faith and common sense than believing in some magical being who defies the laws of physics who created everything using magic words?

By the way I have no faith in theories of the Big Bang or whatever. I don't claim to know how the universe got here. I have theories, but none that I have any real faith in. I just don't care about how we got here. It makes no difference to my life at all not knowing. Either way it had to be incredible, right?

I won't stoop to ignorance and say "Goddidit". or the "BigBangdidit". There's no need to.

Thus no faith whatsoever needed to be an atheist. All that Atheism is, is a disbelief in gods. It is no guarantee you're going to believe in the Big Bang or anything like that.

None of us were present to witness these events

And neither was anyone around to witness any god create anything.

Are double standards sensible?

[OnceConvinced]

Is there any atheist here on this site who fits into any of e.g's imaginary groups?

Let's look at the three and see why they are not categories that atheists fall into:

1- Those, who have been hurt, offended or disappointed in church, and the so called people of God.

This is not a reason to no longer believe in god. All it is, is a reason to no longer go to church.

2- Those, who could not resist or break free from their families pressure; they gave in, following the non-belief ideology, which was imposed on them.

Why would this cause anyone to stop believing in God? You could be a closet Christian. So once again it makes no sense to try to put atheists into this category. More likely what you will have here are Christians who are just afraid to be open about it.

3- The third is a smart bunch, want to make a "splash" or make money challenging the big guy God. This way they would look bigger and smarter to impress, or to make speeches and write books to gain fame and make money.

If you were trying to challenge god you wouldn't be an atheist. You would be a believer.

It seems what you have here is a list of theists who for whatever reason are angry at god. They are definitely not atheists.

What you have there are angry and rebellious theists.

[Blastcat]

[Replying to post 1 by E.G]

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[center]Sound reasoning vs. the other kinds.
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1- Those, who have been hurt, offended or disappointed in church, and the so called people of God.

Nobody is perfect, not even the religious. Some people do things like leaving or accepting a religion for very bad reasons. Does that mean that everyone has very bad reasons?

Are you quite sure that all outsiders to your faith fit in to your three categories?

2- Those, who could not resist or break free from their families pressure; they gave in, following the non-belief ideology, which was imposed on them.

There might be some "anti-religious" indoctrination. But does that mean there is no such thing as religious indoctrination?

3- The third is a smart bunch, want to make a "splash" or make money challenging the big guy God. This way they would look bigger and smarter to impress, or to make speeches and write books to gain fame and make money.

So you think that religious books don't make a profit?
Some religious writers are quite famous.

What is the common thread among these three groups?

In two word: emotional reaction.

You might want to discuss this with me.
I am always trying as hard as I can to be rational.

- We depend on air, every second, to continue to live, but we cant see Air, why cant be there a God whom we cant see but feel his present? (Reason).

Some people tell outsiders that they "see" a god in some way. Unfortunately, they aren't describing an empirical experience, but a subjective one. So, outsiders cannot test if what they say they "see" is more than a product of their imagination.

Should we completely exclude the possibility that religious experiences are imaginary?

- We came from apes and survival is for the fittest. Why then, as human species we have, for generations, an acceptable system of passing inheritance to succeeding generations? This defies the concept of survival is for the fittest, since it gives some people advantages over others, also makes them depended on those who pass the inheritance (thus, they are not necessarily the fittest). (Logic).

Are you quite sure that you accurately described the theory of evolution?

- If life came about as a result of a big bang theory: Our universe is thought to have begun as an infinitesimally small, infinitely hot, infinitely dense- a miracle. Where did it come from? We don't know. Why did it appear? We don't know. After its initial appearance, it apparently inflated (the "Big Bang") http://www.big-bang-theory.com/.

So, the question is, if that is how it came about, what would stop this phenomenon from happening again? And what could be the results? A major explosion covering the entire universe? This appears to contradict having an order in the universe as many scientists have testified. If we (the human species) were a product of such a disorderly "Big Bang", how come then we always seek harmony and order for our lives? (Common sense).

Who are experiencing "harmony" or "chaos"?
The universe, humans or something else?

[OnceConvinced]

3- The third is a smart bunch, want to make a "splash" or make money challenging the big guy God. This way they would look bigger and smarter to impress, or to make speeches and write books to gain fame and make money.

So you think that religious books don't make a profit?
Some religious writers are quite famous.

Very good point. It seems there is a large audience of gullible theists out there that a fellow theist can milk for every penny. We see pastors of churches doing it. Raking in the dolleros from their congregation. Cult leaders. TV evangelists all making a fortune. Surely there's more money in being a Christian and preaching to the choir? All it takes is for you to make up some story about how you visited Heaven and Hell in a near-death-experience and you can make a mint. Former witches attempting to make money by "lifting the lid". How easy would it be to make money like that?

I've seen pastors rolling in money. Evangelists are treated like celebrities.