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Post #92
Oh please. This is getting WAY out in left field. God doesn't need to eat or drink. The grain and oil offerings were not for God to consume!Strider324 wrote:So why would a spirit-only god need to eat and drink? Why would he command his people to prepare food and drink for him every single day?2timothy316 wrote: Spirit, if one believes what the Bible says.
Ex 33:20; Joh 1:18; 1Ti 1:17; Joh 4:24; 2Co 3:17, 18
And how would this spirit god be able to eat and drink with Abraham in Gen 19? Wouldn't the stuff just fall through onto the floor?
And if he had no body, why was Moses able to see his hind parts? And why would this god tell Moses not to look at his face, if he had no face? Or was it a spirit face??
Very strange....
Are you not familiar with the idea that angels have MATERIALIZED physical bodies so that they could be seen by people? That is how they could eat.
God's "hind parts" is a metaphor for a deeper reality.....God showed Moses a glimpse of His greatness by presenting to him a portion of glory from the spirit realm. That's all. With that, Moses' face glowed for days. You think that was a showing of the literal hind parts of a physical man? Excuse me while I LOL.
Incidentally, all of those ideas have been answered on previous posts. Maybe it would behoove you to check them all out.
What am I bothering myself for with this nonsense???? As I said before, I'm out.
Body of flesh and bone will inherit the Kingdom of God
Post #93[Replying to onewithhim]
I don't know which posts you are reading, but I've already addressed these scriptures, but I will do it again.
Let us take one step at atime and begin with 1 Cor 15:50. You are correct that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God. However, an imperishable body of flesh and bone (without blood) does inherit the kingdom of God. see (Acts 1:9).
Please notice it says "flesh and blood". No one will be resurrected with a body of flesh and blood (a body operated by blood like we now have)- see (Luke 24:39). Does Jesus describe His resurrected body to have blood? NO, He shed His blood on the cross (all of it). He was resurrected without blood; a glorified body of flesh and bone operated by the spirit. This is why He was able to appear in the room when the doors were locked - see (John 20:19) THEREFORE, THE ARGUMENT THAT FLESH AND BLOOD CANNOT INHERENT THE KINGDOM OF GOD MEANS THE PERISHABLE BODY CANNOT INHERENT THE KINGDOM OF GOD.
However, the imperishable and glorified body of the resurrection does inherit the kingdom of God- again, see what an imperishable body is like (Luke 24:39) and what an imperishable can do (John 20:19).
In summary, you stated correctly that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, but no one has said it does. The error is in not recognizing Jesus Christ ascended into heaven with a glorified body of flesh and bone that was operated by spirit. All that are resurrected to life will have a glorified body, like Christ (without blood). See (1 John 3:2). Our resurrected bodies of flesh and bone will inherit the kingdom of God, if we believe in Jesus Christ and obey His gospel.
I don't know which posts you are reading, but I've already addressed these scriptures, but I will do it again.
Let us take one step at atime and begin with 1 Cor 15:50. You are correct that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God. However, an imperishable body of flesh and bone (without blood) does inherit the kingdom of God. see (Acts 1:9).
Please notice it says "flesh and blood". No one will be resurrected with a body of flesh and blood (a body operated by blood like we now have)- see (Luke 24:39). Does Jesus describe His resurrected body to have blood? NO, He shed His blood on the cross (all of it). He was resurrected without blood; a glorified body of flesh and bone operated by the spirit. This is why He was able to appear in the room when the doors were locked - see (John 20:19) THEREFORE, THE ARGUMENT THAT FLESH AND BLOOD CANNOT INHERENT THE KINGDOM OF GOD MEANS THE PERISHABLE BODY CANNOT INHERENT THE KINGDOM OF GOD.
However, the imperishable and glorified body of the resurrection does inherit the kingdom of God- again, see what an imperishable body is like (Luke 24:39) and what an imperishable can do (John 20:19).
In summary, you stated correctly that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, but no one has said it does. The error is in not recognizing Jesus Christ ascended into heaven with a glorified body of flesh and bone that was operated by spirit. All that are resurrected to life will have a glorified body, like Christ (without blood). See (1 John 3:2). Our resurrected bodies of flesh and bone will inherit the kingdom of God, if we believe in Jesus Christ and obey His gospel.
Re: Doctrine of God
Post #94[Replying to post 9 by JehovahsWitness]
God did not transform Himself into a human form (except, possibly in the OT theopanies). God, with His concern with humanity, is the firstborn over all creation in His own humanity (which was to come in the fullness of time: aka Jesus Christ).
God did not transform Himself into human form, He conceived Himself through His Holy Spirit, which is the Spirit of Christ - see (1 Peter 1:11). God became human in every way, born of a woman - see (Gal 4:4). Since God the Father, who is also the Holy Spirit (which we understand through the revelation of Jesus Christ, is the Spirit of Christ - 1 Peter 1:11), conceived Himself by the Holy Spirit - see (Luke 1:35, Matt 1:18 - *please note:
1) Luke 1:35 and Matt 1:18 show the Spirit of Christ is the causation of conception.
2) Luke 1:35 goes a little deeper in detail: "and the power of the Most High will overshadow you". This is significant because, the power of the most High (God), is Jesus Christ - see (1 Cor 1:24).
These scriptures reveal a mystery about who fathered Christ in His humanity. It is none other than the one true God; Jesus Christ - see (1 John 5:20). This explains why man was made in the image and likeness of Jesus Christ, who was born of a woman, and why we will be transformed into His imperishable image and likeness in the resurrection see (1 John 3:2). also see - (1 Cor 15:50-55)
Please note: I have noticed that 1 Cor 15:50 seems to be a "go to" scripture that proves Jesus CHrist or any man can inherit the kingdom of God. However, the scripture clearly shows that we will not be resurrected with an imperishable body of the flesh and blood. The perishable body will be transformed into the image and likeness of the imperishable body of the resurrected Christ (no longer operated by blood, for he shed His blood, but now operated by spirit - see Luke 24:39, John 20:19, 26).
Now the mystery is revealed that the image and likeness God made man in the beginning is Jesus Christ, who is the beginning - see (Col 1:15, Rev 3:14)
Jesus Christ, the firstborn over all creation, and born of a woman, is not only the image and likeness of God in the beginning, but also, in the end, through the resurrection, for Jesus Christ is, both, the beginning and the end (Reve 1:8, 11, 17, 2:8, 21:6, 22:13, Isa 41:4, 44:6, 48:12)
The evidence of who God is, in all His fullness is overwhelmingly presented and revealed in the one person of Jesus Christ.
This is why the word of God says we will be made, in the restoration (fulfilling the promise of Gen 1:26), in the image and likeness of Jesus Christ as revealed by John - see (1 John 3:2 "Beloved, now we are children of God, and it has not appeared as yet what we will be. We know that when He appears, we will be like Him, because we will see Him just as He is.")
John understood who was the one true God in the beginning and in the end - see (1 John 5:20).
John wrote the book of Revelation. John made it clear what the book is about - see (Rev 1:1-2 "The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave Him to show to His bond-servants, the things which must soon take place; and He sent and communicated it by His angel to His bond-servant John, 2who testified to the word of God and to the testimony of Jesus Christ, even to all that he saw."
I encourage all to study the Bible with an open mind and spirit to see what is true, instead of studying the Bible to prove what you already believe to be true. There is a major difference between these two approaches and only one of these approaches allows us to be open to revelation from God. It is God that grants the understanding of the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven - see Matt:13:10-11)
God did not transform Himself into a human form (except, possibly in the OT theopanies). God, with His concern with humanity, is the firstborn over all creation in His own humanity (which was to come in the fullness of time: aka Jesus Christ).
God did not transform Himself into human form, He conceived Himself through His Holy Spirit, which is the Spirit of Christ - see (1 Peter 1:11). God became human in every way, born of a woman - see (Gal 4:4). Since God the Father, who is also the Holy Spirit (which we understand through the revelation of Jesus Christ, is the Spirit of Christ - 1 Peter 1:11), conceived Himself by the Holy Spirit - see (Luke 1:35, Matt 1:18 - *please note:
1) Luke 1:35 and Matt 1:18 show the Spirit of Christ is the causation of conception.
2) Luke 1:35 goes a little deeper in detail: "and the power of the Most High will overshadow you". This is significant because, the power of the most High (God), is Jesus Christ - see (1 Cor 1:24).
These scriptures reveal a mystery about who fathered Christ in His humanity. It is none other than the one true God; Jesus Christ - see (1 John 5:20). This explains why man was made in the image and likeness of Jesus Christ, who was born of a woman, and why we will be transformed into His imperishable image and likeness in the resurrection see (1 John 3:2). also see - (1 Cor 15:50-55)
Please note: I have noticed that 1 Cor 15:50 seems to be a "go to" scripture that proves Jesus CHrist or any man can inherit the kingdom of God. However, the scripture clearly shows that we will not be resurrected with an imperishable body of the flesh and blood. The perishable body will be transformed into the image and likeness of the imperishable body of the resurrected Christ (no longer operated by blood, for he shed His blood, but now operated by spirit - see Luke 24:39, John 20:19, 26).
Now the mystery is revealed that the image and likeness God made man in the beginning is Jesus Christ, who is the beginning - see (Col 1:15, Rev 3:14)
Jesus Christ, the firstborn over all creation, and born of a woman, is not only the image and likeness of God in the beginning, but also, in the end, through the resurrection, for Jesus Christ is, both, the beginning and the end (Reve 1:8, 11, 17, 2:8, 21:6, 22:13, Isa 41:4, 44:6, 48:12)
The evidence of who God is, in all His fullness is overwhelmingly presented and revealed in the one person of Jesus Christ.
This is why the word of God says we will be made, in the restoration (fulfilling the promise of Gen 1:26), in the image and likeness of Jesus Christ as revealed by John - see (1 John 3:2 "Beloved, now we are children of God, and it has not appeared as yet what we will be. We know that when He appears, we will be like Him, because we will see Him just as He is.")
John understood who was the one true God in the beginning and in the end - see (1 John 5:20).
John wrote the book of Revelation. John made it clear what the book is about - see (Rev 1:1-2 "The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave Him to show to His bond-servants, the things which must soon take place; and He sent and communicated it by His angel to His bond-servant John, 2who testified to the word of God and to the testimony of Jesus Christ, even to all that he saw."
I encourage all to study the Bible with an open mind and spirit to see what is true, instead of studying the Bible to prove what you already believe to be true. There is a major difference between these two approaches and only one of these approaches allows us to be open to revelation from God. It is God that grants the understanding of the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven - see Matt:13:10-11)
Re: Body of flesh and bone will inherit the Kingdom of God
Post #95Amusing. Because Christ mentions flesh and bones it is assumed that the flesh is spread alarmingly over bones, with no blood. That would render Christ unrecognisable; it would mean that Thomas would get no satisfaction about wounds; and it would still not solve the problem of bone penetrating locked doors.B Bob wrote:
Let us take one step at atime and begin with 1 Cor 15:50. You are correct that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God. However, an imperishable body of flesh and bone (without blood) does inherit the kingdom of God. see (Acts 1:9).
This type of literal reading pours scorn on the Bible and far from making it a book worthy of study, it turns the Bible into silliness. This may well be the intention and if humour is used to mock a folly out of fashion, then fair enough. If it is a serious attempt at explaining sentences picked up randomly from the NT, then it fails in its mission. It explains nothing.
What a glorified body can do id a matter of armchair speculation.
Re: Body of flesh and bone will inherit the Kingdom of God
Post #96[Replying to marco]
Not assumed. He shed His blood on the cross. It is a different type of body that is operated by spirit, therefore the problem is we don't know how it works.
Not assumed. He shed His blood on the cross. It is a different type of body that is operated by spirit, therefore the problem is we don't know how it works.
Re: Body of flesh and bone will inherit the Kingdom of God
Post #97What a glorified body can do id a matter of armchair speculation.[/quote]
And you just speculated a problem that you don't know if it applies to a glorified body
And you just speculated a problem that you don't know if it applies to a glorified body
Re: Body of flesh and bone will inherit the Kingdom of God
Post #98[Replying to post 95 by marco]
And you just speculated a problem that you don't know if it applies to a glorified body
And you just speculated a problem that you don't know if it applies to a glorified body
Re: Body of flesh and bone will inherit the Kingdom of God
Post #99[Replying to post 95 by marco]
I don't know if you meant to or not, but your coming off more than a little high-minded.
Lets break down your comments to see how lofty and intelligent they appear upon further speculation:
YOUR QUOTE:
What a glorified body can do is a matter of armchair speculation. END QUOTE
However, you preceded with total speculation concerning Christs glorified body -
YOUR QUOTE:
Amusing. Because Christ mentions flesh and bones it is assumed that the flesh is spread alarmingly over bones, with no blood. That would render Christ unrecognizable; it would mean that Thomas would get no satisfaction about wounds; and it would still not solve the problem of bone penetrating locked doors. END QUOTE
Amusing, how you have no problem with your own armchair speculation as if you know what the results would be of a body resurrected without blood. Mmmm.
YOUR QUOTE: type of literal reading pours scorn on the Bible and far from making it a book worthy of study, it turns the Bible into silliness. This may well be the intention and if humour is used to mock a folly out of fashion, then fair enough. If it is a serious attempt at explaining sentences picked up randomly from the NT, then it fails in its mission. It explains nothing.
END QUOTE
The sentenced was not picked up randomly. It deals with the random argument that Christ cannot be God because flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God which seems to be a popular opinion in quoting one sentence of scripture 1 Cor 15:50. However, the following four verses explains, the perishable (body of flesh and blood), must put on the imperishable (the glorified body of the resurrection). It is the imperishable and glorified body of flesh and bone that INHERITS the kingdom of God.
So, in one sense, you are correct that random sentences of scripture can be misleading, given the example of 1 Cor 15:50 only. Upon further preponderance of 1 Cor 15:50-55, anyone should be able to understand the resurrected body of Christ is not perishable and all that are resurrected in Christ have put on the imperishable. Therefore, id flesh and blood are perishable, then an imperishable resurrected body of flesh and bone cannot be operated by blood.
I don't know if you meant to or not, but your coming off more than a little high-minded.
Lets break down your comments to see how lofty and intelligent they appear upon further speculation:
YOUR QUOTE:
What a glorified body can do is a matter of armchair speculation. END QUOTE
However, you preceded with total speculation concerning Christs glorified body -
YOUR QUOTE:
Amusing. Because Christ mentions flesh and bones it is assumed that the flesh is spread alarmingly over bones, with no blood. That would render Christ unrecognizable; it would mean that Thomas would get no satisfaction about wounds; and it would still not solve the problem of bone penetrating locked doors. END QUOTE
Amusing, how you have no problem with your own armchair speculation as if you know what the results would be of a body resurrected without blood. Mmmm.
YOUR QUOTE: type of literal reading pours scorn on the Bible and far from making it a book worthy of study, it turns the Bible into silliness. This may well be the intention and if humour is used to mock a folly out of fashion, then fair enough. If it is a serious attempt at explaining sentences picked up randomly from the NT, then it fails in its mission. It explains nothing.
END QUOTE
The sentenced was not picked up randomly. It deals with the random argument that Christ cannot be God because flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God which seems to be a popular opinion in quoting one sentence of scripture 1 Cor 15:50. However, the following four verses explains, the perishable (body of flesh and blood), must put on the imperishable (the glorified body of the resurrection). It is the imperishable and glorified body of flesh and bone that INHERITS the kingdom of God.
So, in one sense, you are correct that random sentences of scripture can be misleading, given the example of 1 Cor 15:50 only. Upon further preponderance of 1 Cor 15:50-55, anyone should be able to understand the resurrected body of Christ is not perishable and all that are resurrected in Christ have put on the imperishable. Therefore, id flesh and blood are perishable, then an imperishable resurrected body of flesh and bone cannot be operated by blood.
Re: Body of flesh and bone will inherit the Kingdom of God
Post #100Presumably you are taking your ideas from the mention that blood and water poured from Christ's pierced side. Do you honestly suppose that ALL his blood drained away? What's the sense in this supposition?B Bob wrote: [Replying to marco]
Not assumed. He shed His blood on the cross. It is a different type of body that is operated by spirit, therefore the problem is we don't know how it works.
