What is a soul?

Skrill · Post by **Skrill** » Sun Sep 07, 2014 9:54 pm

It is fact that the Physical Brain controls memories, personality. Thousands of other actions are all controlled by our nervous system, which is managed by our brains.

Therefore, what consensus is there for any evidence for a soul(s)? As the existence of the soul is very central to any belief or religion.

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dio9 · Post by **dio9** » Sun Oct 09, 2016 1:38 pm

[Replying to Blastcat]

sorry if I have offended you. just trying to say the soul can be discovered within after liberating our self from things like greed anger and foolishness its the ground of our humanity.

dio9 · Post by **dio9** » Sun Oct 09, 2016 1:43 pm

[Replying to post 66 by JehovahsWitness]

To say a person is a soul and a soul is a person is circular reasoning.

JehovahsWitness · Post by **JehovahsWitness** » Sun Oct 09, 2016 1:58 pm

[Replying to post 72 by dio9]

It's not reasoning at all, its defining. A woman is a female human and a female human is a woman, the synonyms help you to understand what the words mean

Here's some reasoning:

- Souls have blood - Gen. 9:5

- Souls can be cut up with a sword Josh. 11:11

- Souls can die - Ezek 18:4

- There are lots of souls swimming about in the ocean Gen. 1:20, 21, 24, 25

In short: In Bible usage shows the soul to be a person or an animal or the life that a person or an animal enjoys.

marco · Post by **marco** » Sun Oct 09, 2016 2:22 pm

dio9 wrote: [Replying to post 66 by JehovahsWitness]

To say a person is a soul and a soul is a person is circular reasoning.

It's circularity all right. Why bother with the specialist word "soul" if it simply means person? As I pointed out, Christ himself believed in the non-corporeal world whence the soul fled when it had left the body.

And what's good enough for that great theologian is surely good enough for most Christians.

JehovahsWitness · Post by **JehovahsWitness** » Sun Oct 09, 2016 2:34 pm

marco wrote:
JehovahsWitness wrote:

The word under discussion is soul. You posted a scripture that doesn't even mention the world "soul". "soul" and "spirit" are not the same words.
So you say, in order to maintain some semblance of correctness.

No, so says the entire body of Hebrew scholars and pretty much any reference you care to turn to; it's not a matter of opinion, it is a fact, the two words are different. Are you suggesting that "soul" and "spirit" are the same in Hebrew?

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JehovahsWitness · Post by **JehovahsWitness** » Sun Oct 09, 2016 2:39 pm

marco wrote: I got my information directly from his reported words. If he did not accept the existence of spirits, he would not have made the point about the apostles mistaking him for a ghost.

Why are you telling me this, did I suggest spirits do not exist? If so, feel free to direct me to the post or produce a quote, otherwise, you might like to direct your random unrelated observations elsewhere.

JW

marco · Post by **marco** » Sun Oct 09, 2016 3:10 pm

JehovahsWitness wrote:

No, so says the entire body of Hebrew scholars and pretty much any reference you care to turn to; it's not a matter of opinion, it is a fact, the two words are different. Are you suggesting that "soul" and "spirit" are the same in Hebrew?

This is an old argument and the picture you offered is not a biblical reference. You know what my point is. Jesus referred to the body becoming a spirit on death. This conflicts with your view that there is no spiritual part to the body, whether you call it a soul or a spirit.

If you are making soul and person interchangeable this does not affect the point I'm making. People do talk, in common parlance, about some poor soul out in the rain but the soul itself is more allied to spirit than to body, however they are defined.

marco · Post by **marco** » Sun Oct 09, 2016 3:15 pm

JehovahsWitness wrote:

Why are you telling me this, did I suggest spirits do not exist? If so, feel free to direct me to the post or produce a quote, otherwise, you might like to direct your random unrelated observations elsewhere.

Earlier, you wrote:

"There is no evidence bibilcally that people have something invisible part of them inside their bodies that continues to live after they die. That is something many churches adopted from Greek philosophers."

By referring to this something as "soul" rather than "spirit" we don't change the idea that something spiritual survives the body.

If you are now denying this sentence, that's okay.

Checkpoint · Post by **Checkpoint** » Sun Oct 09, 2016 3:24 pm

[Replying to post 77 by marco]

Jesus referred to the body becoming a spirit on death.

He did?

Where?

marco · Post by **marco** » Sun Oct 09, 2016 3:45 pm

Checkpoint wrote: [Replying to post 77 by marco]

Jesus referred to the body becoming a spirit on death.
He did? Where?

I quoted the passage.

In Luke 24:39 we have Christ saying:

King James Bible:
"Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have. "

Jesus defines the properties of a spirit in illustrating that his is a real body. This supports the idea that Christ accepted that, after death, the spirit survives as a ghost perhaps. He does not dismiss this idea as nonsense.