What is a soul?

Skrill · Post by **Skrill** » Sun Sep 07, 2014 9:54 pm

It is fact that the Physical Brain controls memories, personality. Thousands of other actions are all controlled by our nervous system, which is managed by our brains.

Therefore, what consensus is there for any evidence for a soul(s)? As the existence of the soul is very central to any belief or religion.

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hoghead1 · Post by **hoghead1** » Mon Oct 17, 2016 11:30 pm

[Replying to post 287 by JehovahsWitness]

That's what I have been trying to explain to you. The question is, When does this happen? Many biblical passages suggest right at death. immediately. Other passages, such as Paul, in I Cor., suggest some sort of wait, as we are not resurrected until the end of the world. That is one of the complexisties of Scripture.

In daily life, yes, there is, technically speaking, a time when we don't exist at all. That is period between the moments of our experience, like the blank space between the frames of film, the period where we reformulate. But this period is so brief that we are never aware of it.

hoghead1 · Post by **hoghead1** » Tue Oct 18, 2016 12:36 am

[Replying to post 290 by Checkpoint]

No, we are perplexed simply because we have been given two highly conflicting pictures between Christ and Paul. The fault lies in the biblical texts, not ourselves. The Bible is notorious for being contradictory, and this is one specific occasion, out of many others.

Checkpoint · Post by **Checkpoint** » Tue Oct 18, 2016 1:30 am

hoghead1 wrote: [Replying to post 290 by Checkpoint]

No, we are perplexed simply because we have been given two highly conflicting pictures between Christ and Paul. The fault lies in the biblical texts, not ourselves. The Bible is notorious for being contradictory, and this is one specific occasion, out of many others.

I beg to differ.

If you are right, we cannot know what scripture aims to inform us of, which means it's "authority", as recognised in this sub-forum, is pointless and unreal.

No, we do not always wear the right glasses.

hoghead1 · Post by **hoghead1** » Tue Oct 18, 2016 1:57 am

[Replying to Checkpoint]

It's not a matter of "if" I am right, it is a matter that I am in fact right. That the Bible contains numerous contradictions is very well documented in modern biblical studies. That doesn't mean the Bible can have no authority, just we have to be careful what authority we grant Scripture. The dictation theory, the idea that God dictated Scripture, word for word, to purely passive scribes, the inerrancy of Scripture , went out the window years ago in biblical studies.

2timothy316 · Post by **2timothy316** » Tue Oct 18, 2016 10:17 am

hoghead1 wrote: [Replying to post 290 by Checkpoint]

No, we are perplexed simply because we have been given two highly conflicting pictures between Christ and Paul. The fault lies in the biblical texts, not ourselves. The Bible is notorious for being contradictory, and this is one specific occasion, out of many others.

Ah one of these folks. It has been my experience that to argue with a person that believes the above there is nothing fruitful to come from these discussions. They only believe themselves and clearly ignore a very important Bible principle. "Trust in Jehovah with all your heart, And do not rely on your own understanding. In all your ways take notice of him, And he will make your paths straight." - Proverbs 3:5, 6.

Those that say 'fault lies in the biblical texts' doesn't need anything from those that have written Proverbs 3:5, 6 on their hearts.

Monta · Post by **Monta** » Tue Oct 18, 2016 10:42 am

hoghead1 wrote: [Replying to Checkpoint]

It's not a matter of "if" I am right, it is a matter that I am in fact right. That the Bible contains numerous contradictions is very well documented in modern biblical studies. That doesn't mean the Bible can have no authority, just we have to be careful what authority we grant Scripture. The dictation theory, the idea that God dictated Scripture, word for word, to purely passive scribes, the inerrancy of Scripture , went out the window years ago in biblical studies.

" " " " " " " - correspondences, representations.

That contradictions in the Bible have been documented by some is true as also it is true that Swedenborg the great mystic/theologian has given us the key; the Bible has been written by correspondences and representations.
Its inner spiritual sense clothed by the literal sense. Very much like hiroglyphics.

Except for few places where it is clear in its literal sense especially where Jesus is speaking, looking at its literal sense alone we shall not find the writers intent.

In the begining God created heaven and the earth.

Haven the internal/spiritual man, and earth the external man.

Jesus said, heaven is wihin you.

JehovahsWitness · Post by **JehovahsWitness** » Tue Oct 18, 2016 11:44 am

hoghead1 wrote: [Replying to post 287 by JehovahsWitness]

That's what I have been trying to explain to you. The question is, When does this happen?

No, you have been saying the person NEVER DIES:

Post #280 you state: "We live on beyond the grave" - to "live on" means "to not stop living" one continues ones life.

Post #276 you refer to: "for life in the hereafter" - presumably life after having died.

When I said "What I am gleaning is that you do not believe that the individual ever ceases to exist even when dead, I am wrong?" you answered in Post # 281 "Yes, correct. [...] we never cease to exist" - "never" excludes one seconds and on billion years, never means at no point in time even for a fraction of a second does the whole person (the Soul) cease to exist.

Post #284 you state catagorically " when you die, yes, you do live on in Paradise or in Hades"

CONCLUSION: Again and again you have been stating that a "dead" person is actually still alive. Are you now stating that a dead person (regardless of whether he or she is dead for one second or one century) actually ceases all conscious existence and actually isn't alive anywhere? That a dead person doesn't exist for the period of time they are dead?

Checkpoint · Post by **Checkpoint** » Tue Oct 18, 2016 12:06 pm

hoghead1 wrote: [Replying to Checkpoint]

It's not a matter of "if" I am right, it is a matter that I am in fact right. That the Bible contains numerous contradictions is very well documented in modern biblical studies. That doesn't mean the Bible can have no authority, just we have to be careful what authority we grant Scripture. The dictation theory, the idea that God dictated Scripture, word for word, to purely passive scribes, the inerrancy of Scripture , went out the window years ago in biblical studies.

What authority do you grant scripture?

What else, if anything, do you grant authority?

hoghead1 · Post by **hoghead1** » Tue Oct 18, 2016 4:35 pm

[Replying to post 295 by 2timothy316]

I'm afraid it isn't that simple. Modern biblical scholarship recognizes at least 100 major contradictions in Scripture. For example, 2 Sam. 21:19, in the original Hebrew, states that Elhanan killed Goliath of Gath. Another major contradiction is fund between gen. 1 and 2. In gen. 1, first animals, then man and woman together. In Gen. 2, first man, then animals, then woman. These accounts are in two very different literary styles, coming from different authors, with Gen. 2 probably the older account. Acts says Paul made five pilgrimages to Jerusalem. Paul says he made only three. And the list goes on.

Also, I hate to appear picky, but "Jehovah" is a major mistranslation. YHWH (Yahweh), yes; Jehovah, no.

hoghead1 · Post by **hoghead1** » Tue Oct 18, 2016 4:49 pm

[Replying to post 297 by JehovahsWitness]

Well, alright, it appears that you and I have different ideas how to use the word "never." Maybe a better way for me to put it is that we are not omnitemporal. My position is that we are a society of perishing occasions. I have already explained about that in considerable detail and don't want to run through it again.