Heaven & the Resurrection

[JehovahsWitness]

Many believe that the righteous men and women from bible times such as Abraham, died and went to heaven.

If that is the case for you, how do you reconcile this with the idea of a future resurrection on "the last day"? What do you think this refers to.

JOHN 11: 24
Martha answered, "I know he will rise again in the resurrection at the last day."

[onewithhim]

Everybody needs to be politically correct and stop using words anyone objects too even though it is a good words.

We must use weasel words to get around words that have an actual meaning.

For example some people object to brainwashing and therefore never be used could people supply a list words that mean the some thing but would be acceptable?

Why quibble over words like "brainwashing"? It is the sentiment behind words like that that is the problem. You say I am "brainwashed" into believing in God because of my upbringing. I don't think that is true. I was also taught about hell-fire all of my formative years, but I never accepted it. So....God I accepted, hell-fire I did not. How can you consider me "brainwashed"? Obviously I reasoned on the matter and came to my own conclusions. Using reason is not brainwashing.

[Monta]

[Replying to post 81 by onewithhim]

"...words like "brainwashing"? It is the sentiment behind words like that that is the problem. You say I am "brainwashed" into believing in God because of my upbringing. I don't think that is true. "

I agree with you but this is all they've got.
In my aupbringing I had no concept whatever of anything beyond things you can touch and see. I was in my 40s when i seriously started my search.

[onewithhim]

[Replying to post 81 by onewithhim]

"...words like "brainwashing"? It is the sentiment behind words like that that is the problem. You say I am "brainwashed" into believing in God because of my upbringing. I don't think that is true. "

I agree with you but this is all they've got.
In my aupbringing I had no concept whatever of anything beyond things you can touch and see. I was in my 40s when i seriously started my search.

But "brainwashing"???? I have just shown you that I could not have been "brainwashed" because I reasoned on things, and I did not accept some of the things that you say I was "brainwashed" with.

[marco]

I was also taught about hell-fire all of my formative years, but I never accepted it. So....God I accepted, hell-fire I did not. How can you consider me "brainwashed"? Obviously I reasoned on the matter and came to my own conclusions. Using reason is not brainwashing.

It is not "reason" to reject what you don't like. Reason does not support faith, for many use reason to reach a variety of interpretations and conclusions. The most important thing in a faith is to believe unconditionally and find through constant search words that support that personal view. Scripture is most accommodating here since we can claim intimate knowledge of Hebrew to argue grammatical points that seem to lead down the road to Jehovah. Or we can ignore one translation and accept another. What kind of God lives down a road lined with misplaced commas and nuances in meaning between spirit and soul?

O what a work of art is man!

[Donray]

Since I am banned from using brainwashing to describe an idea of someone what other words can I use that have the same meeting.

So, does anyone have another word with the same meaning that I can use?

What a moderator? Do you have list of acceptable words?

[Talishi]

Since I am banned from using brainwashing to describe an idea of someone what other words can I use that have the same meeting. So, does anyone have another word with the same meaning that I can use?

Indoctrinating
Conditioning
Assimilating
Reeducating
Propagandizing
Inculcating

[gordsd]

[Replying to post 1 by JehovahsWitness]

Why would it be important to believe rightly about a ressurection? Why would God care? If God is just, God would know that none of us has ever witnessed a resurrection, and God would not condemn a doubter for doubting something highly doubtful! The Bible is full of contradictions; this is just one more on top of the rest. So, how do I reconcile a contradiction? I just accept the fact that it is one and move on, and I simply ask myself, "What is the writer trying to say in this passage, and what is the writer trying to say in that passage?"

[Blastcat]

[Replying to post 1 by JehovahsWitness]

Many believe that the righteous men and women from bible times such as Abraham, died and went to heaven.

If that is the case for you, how do you reconcile this with the idea of a future resurrection on "the last day"? What do you think this refers to.

JOHN 11: 24
Martha answered, "I know he will rise again in the resurrection at the last day."

Ok, first, a disclaimer:

I don't have an opinion about heaven or hell or who goes and who does not.

But as to your perplexing question:
You don't have to get to heaven if you're already there.

[Checkpoint]

Nope.

All of them are still dead, or as scripture sometimes terms it, asleep.

Talishi provided you with an example to suggest that the dead Abraham and Moses don't sleep very well. Your response, nope, doesn't quite make it as an explanation. I have no problem with people thinking the dead are sleeping, but don't imagine that you draw this conclusion from Scripture. When we find a nope in Scripture we can always find a yes.

Many suggestions can be made from scripture, including the one made by Talishi.

I do draw my conclusion from scripture, that the dead are sleeping.

Not from a vision or a parable, but from the plain words of Jesus and of Paul.

[Blastcat]

[Replying to post 89 by Checkpoint]

Many suggestions can be made from scripture, including the one made by Talishi.

I do draw my conclusion from scripture, that the dead are sleeping.

Not from a vision or a parable, but from the plain words of Jesus and of Paul.

As you say, there are many suggestions that can be made from scripture.
Are you suggesting that your conclusion is the best?