Zeus or Jehovah, who is better?

[Willum]

Zeus leads his pantheon of angels and vicars on Earth, and under Zeus' divine wisdom, man received the following gifts.

Modern languages, Astronomy, Philosophy; many philosophies, Education, Mathematics, Architecture, concrete, refined sciences, surgery and medicine, Roads, the Calendar, history, news, public welfare: the supply of vegetables in winter (preventing scurvy and health problems), and supply of meats and grain in winter, bound books, roads, modern law, many engineerings, the modern alphabet, glass, light houses, mills, glazed pottery, modern soap and this is not a complete list, and possibly the most important invention, the one that makes a city modern and healthy, even today, the clean water and sewage system. How one gets to his heaven is righteousness and heroism.
Famine,mortality and infant deaths approached modern times.

Yahweh, leads his pantheon of angels and vicars on Earth, and performed the following:

He came after, whom essentially stripped away every one of Zeus' benefits, because they were from Zeus, and evil, replacing it with his truth and love, which included superiority of one race over others, a demeaning system of slavery, misogyny, more genocides than any other God, that cleanliness polluted your soul, that this God alone should heal, not men, that math and engineering were sorcery and led you to Hell, that the only truth was from one book, that famine and death were punishment for man's evil, that other schools of thought were evil. Insisted people only be educated in prescribed ways, like that the Sun moved around the Earth, and that nitrogen-fixing crops were against his will, but did say that a non-burdening system of sin removal would get you to heaven. This God also is in close communications with his followers, though not a single one can prove this.

Follow-up question, which one seems more real, one that seems to make judgments from ignorance, harming humanity, or one that seems genuinely interested in weal? Which God would you choose. Feel free to enter in other beneficial characteristics of either god, if you think I've missed any, and propose counter arguments.

[JehovahsWitness]

[Replying to post 8 by Willum]

Catholics have never been known for going from door to door preaching and their Pope has banned the pronouncing of the name JEHOVAH in their prayers and services, so obviously I am not talking about them.

JW

Are you certain of this? After all, the Jersusalem and the New Jerusalem translations of the Bible are Roman Catholic editions, the they both use the name "Yahweh" in place of the euphamism "LORD".

Seems odd they would allow this in their Bible and forbid YHVH's mention by name in their prayers and in the Mass.

For the full letter google:
Letter to the Bishops Conferences on The Name of God. On June 29, 2008

To learn more please go to other posts related to ....

GOD, THE DIVINE NAME and ...THE DIVINE PERSONALITY

[Willum]

[Replying to Elijah John]

The "family tree" of YHVH that you point to is not recognized the Bible.

But a whole slew of other cultures' childrens' stories are recognized in the Bible.
And that family tree is recognized by historians, so, the onus is on you to show why a collection of children's fables over-rules the history we can put together of a culture who likes to burn and murder anyone who says otherwise.

Also, the code of YHVH is the Ten Commandments.

But this code came long after many other codes, Hammurabi being a famous one.
And it even contradicts itself, right out of the gate - "You shall have no other gods..." If there is only one god, there are no others. It should say have no "false" gods." So we are left with pantheism.

And contrary to your previous assertion, the 10 Commandments of YHVH are also part and parcel of Western Civilization, and Law. At least the "horizontal ones" the person to person love of neighbor ones are, if not the vertical love of God ones.

As mentioned, the ten commandments were codified better, earlier and elsewhere.

We know Yahweh, in Phonetician is YHWH, who is Yahu, and that certainly is an indicator, if not proof. Yahu pre-dates Yahweh, and there you are.

Roman Law? Please demonstrate a direct connection to Zeus. Or even that Roman Law may have been inspired by Zeus.

Roman law was instituted by Caesar Augustus, the God Augustus who received his power from Zeus. It is more of a history lesson, but it's laws were around 600 BCE, and were graven in stone by the God Augustus. They still exist.

The Ten Commandments were said to have been written directly with the finger of YHVH, inscribed in stone.

Whereas we KNOW that a paranoid schizophrenic* is infinitely more likely to climb up a mountain and claim those aren't chisel marks, but fingernail marks. In any event, it seems like a very important document, and written in stone too, can you produce it for me? A picture will be fine.

In Jewish tradition, how we treat each other is more important even than what we believe about God. YHVH God cares about how we treat each other, and that is incorporated into his Code, His Law.

Incorrect. Jews have killed Samaritans for what they believe about God, and unless you were a Jew or a Samaritan, you would say they each resemble each other just as two eggs do. And again, going back to the OT, it seems very important that you treat anyone who believes differently then you to a horrible death.

And love and mercy is also part of His character, (Micah 6.6-6.8)...can you say the same of Zeus?

Absolutely, judge them both not by their words, like Micah 6.6-6.8, but by their actions. Yahweh so loved the world that he drowned everyone in it, and left a handful of imbeciles around to ensure that the Earth maintained it's state of sin.
In the Dark Ages plunged the world into ignorance, disease and death, the levels of which hadn't been seen, since before the Romans invaded Jerusalem!

Zeus gave us (see the OP again) which demonstrates mercy, encouragement, many wonderful things.

* = I anticipate you are going to state that Moses was not paranoid schizophrenic. But as we have learned, the proto-Jewish were never in Egypt, so Moses must have made up the story. If he actually believed it, this goes to his state of mind.

[OnceConvinced]

[Replying to post 3 by Willum]

That sounds fair, I would say Jehovah because he has been able to motivate 8 million people to go from door to door for him.

JW

It doesn't seem like he's much of a god if he needs you guys to do his work for him. I'm doubting Zeus would have needed humans to go to door to door for him.

Strangers knocking on my door trying to convert me are more pests than anything.

[OnceConvinced]

Doesn't matter - the point is He (Jehovah) has motivated millions of people in the real world, to come out and campaign for Him. Zeus...? Not so much.

Jehovah clearly has more influence than Zeus.

Zeus doesn't even have enough followers to call himself a god. He's a joke.

Yeah, most of us agree that Zeus is a joke. We just lump him in with all the other gods that have been worshipped by mankind. They are ALL jokes. Every single one of them! I don't see any point in making any exceptions.

If we go by the above logic, then even the Christian god is a joke as his followers are in a minority when looking at the population of the earth. Not only that, but this god has failed time and time again to rid the world of evil and other gods. In fact there are thousands of gods out there now and that number seems to be growing. All gods who the bible god has not been able to vanquish.

Christianity is one of the bigger religions at the moment, because it is so very good at stamping out other religions by destroying anything related to them. This never became more obvious to me when I visited Rarotanga last year. It is now full of Christian churches and why was that? Ask a Raratongan. Because Christian missionaries came and destroyed anything relating to their old gods.

[Willum]

[Replying to post 34 by OnceConvinced]

So, based on the OP, I challenge your assertion that Zeus is a joke:
I assert that Zeus was a beneficent creature who gave us the gifts listed in the OP, and Yahweh's followers came around and killed all of them, and defiled all of Zeus' works, and we have spent the last 1600 years rebuilding to where Zeus left off.

That Yahweh's supremacy is because his followers murdered and persecuted anyone enlightened, leaving us with this legacy.

What is your counter?

[rikuoamero]

[Replying to post 3 by Willum]

That sounds fair, I would say Jehovah because he has been able to motivate 8 million people to go from door to door for him.

JW

Question - Does anyone know the total population of worshippers of Zeus? If that number is found to be higher or ever have been higher than the number of Jehovah's Witnesses, does this make Zeus better than ol J?

[Willum]

[Replying to rikuoamero]

Sneaky answer:
Somewhere along the line, Zeus replaced Yahweh.

Most of the Catholic world worships Dios, Dieux, Dyus, Theos, or finally Deus. These are all cognates/pronunciations of Zeus, and not Yahweh.

But, to counter, how many followers of Zeus need to be oppressed and murdered for one to be truer than the other?

Apparently - there are roughly a million followers of Hellenism, with allegedly more underground to hide from persecution.

[JehovahsWitness]

[Replying to post 3 by Willum]

That sounds fair, I would say Jehovah because he has been able to motivate 8 million people to go from door to door for him.

JW

Question - Does anyone know the total population of worshippers of Zeus? If that number is found to be higher or ever have been higher than the number of Jehovah's Witnesses, does this make Zeus better than ol J?

Well if a Zeus Worshipper ever knocks on my door to talk to me about Zeus I'll be sure to ask him. Then I'll get my skates and and bonnet because hell would surely have just frozen over.

[Willum]

[Replying to post 38 by JehovahsWitness]

Just as I am sure to thoroughly mock those who knock on my door to preach to me.

But to recap, you feel/believe that followers of Jehovah are true because they murdered and persecuted the followers of other gods, despite those gods presenting man with immense benefits: True indicators of goodwill and love you often mistakenly attribute to Jehovah - those benefits that Jehovah's followers also destroyed?

[KenRU]

I think Thor has them both beat:

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Can I vote for Thor?