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What is God responsible for?

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Many things were done in God's name:
But what is he responsible for?

When the Catholic Nazi Germany attempts a genocide, a man is blamed.
When Hebrews commit genocide on the Canaan, it is his will.

We have plagues, on Catholic countries, for example. The Dark Ages were committed in Yahweh's name. Were they?

Why would Yahweh plunge the civilization of Rome, with health, farming and sanitation, back into the primitive squalor of ancient Jerusalem, if so?

If not, why did he not stop such a terror? It seems to be in His purview.

How does one determine if an act is done in God's will, or men's will?
Does the Bible tell us?

Understanding that free will is a constraint - we can also understand that mob's and large numbers of people lose free will, does this fall into God's purview, then?

In short, how does one know what God is responsible for;
Any group decision?
A decision influenced by prayer?

The position is that presented by Romans 13:
Obey the rulers who have authority over you. Only God can give authority to anyone, and he puts these rulers in their places of power. 2 People who oppose the authorities are opposing what God has done, and they will be punished. 3 Rulers are a threat to evil people, not to good people. There is no need to be afraid of the authorities. Just do right, and they will praise you for it. 4 After all, they are God’s servants, and it is their duty to help you.
The position of the OP is: those atrocities committed by governments, God's will, and he is responsible for them.

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Willum wrote: [Replying to post 38 by JehovahsWitness]

All I am getting is confused.
I have read the scripture, it is not germane to the topic.

Try using it to explain Cortes for example.
God's action, or God abhorred?

Do not use "I think," or IMO.
I explained Cortez. What is the reason you don't consider my posts valid?

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[Replying to post 40 by JehovahsWitness]

Hi, all your verses aren't saying anything about what is indicative of God's works on Earth. Maybe someone else can help.

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[Replying to post 41 by onewithhim]

Because it is an opinion, that could be turned equally on any event.

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Willum wrote: [Replying to post 40 by JehovahsWitness]

Hi, all your verses aren't saying anything about what is indicative of God's works on Earth.
All the verses I provided are saying something about what is indicative of God's works on Earth.
Willum wrote:Maybe someone else can help.
I'm sure that is indeed possible but why are you directing this comment to me?

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Re: What is God responsible for?

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Willum wrote: [Replying to ttruscott]

Your opinion, does not address the OP.
Indeed your opinion does not define God's behavior: See the issue?
??? MY opinion expresses what I think GOD is responsible for as written in post 6.
PCE Theology as I see it...

We had an existence with a free will in Sheol before the creation of the physical universe. Here we chose to be able to become holy or to be eternally evil in YHWH's sight. Then the physical universe was created and all sinners were sent to earth.

This theology debunks the need to base Christianity upon the blasphemy of creating us in Adam's sin.

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marco wrote:Well, if one accepts that God made man then he's responsible for everything, good and bad.
No sir, your logic is flawed IF HE made everyone with the ability to make free will decisions to become either good or bad. IF SO, then we are responsible for making ourselves eternal sinners or temporary sinners or holy. like the angels.
PCE Theology as I see it...

We had an existence with a free will in Sheol before the creation of the physical universe. Here we chose to be able to become holy or to be eternally evil in YHWH's sight. Then the physical universe was created and all sinners were sent to earth.

This theology debunks the need to base Christianity upon the blasphemy of creating us in Adam's sin.

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Willum wrote: [Replying to onewithhim]
Is God responsible for Cortes' actions?
Of course...when Cortes decided to act in a sinful way in accord with his sinful nature, God did not restrain him fully, so yes, HE is responsible for what Cortes did.
PCE Theology as I see it...

We had an existence with a free will in Sheol before the creation of the physical universe. Here we chose to be able to become holy or to be eternally evil in YHWH's sight. Then the physical universe was created and all sinners were sent to earth.

This theology debunks the need to base Christianity upon the blasphemy of creating us in Adam's sin.

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marco wrote: Jehovah of the OT was responsible for millions of people being killed; he hasn't improved with age.
Except...Jehovah and Jesus are within the same Unity called GOD. Jehovah is no worse than Jesus, Jesus is no better than Jehovah. GOD is one.
PCE Theology as I see it...

We had an existence with a free will in Sheol before the creation of the physical universe. Here we chose to be able to become holy or to be eternally evil in YHWH's sight. Then the physical universe was created and all sinners were sent to earth.

This theology debunks the need to base Christianity upon the blasphemy of creating us in Adam's sin.

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Re: What is God responsible for?

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[Replying to post 45 by ttruscott]

Well, my opinion is not suitable for "Theology, Doctrine and Dogma," so I don't post it.
Anyone's opinion is not "Theology, Doctrine and Dogma," and any one can have one indicating anything they want it to.

However, I truly feel that if there is a God participating in our world, his "Theology, Doctrine and Dogma," should provide indicators of this world, not some unobservable kingdom.

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Willum wrote: Many things were done in God's name:
But what is he responsible for?

When the Catholic Nazi Germany attempts a genocide, a man is blamed.
When Hebrews commit genocide on the Canaan, it is his will.

We have plagues, on Catholic countries, for example. The Dark Ages were committed in Yahweh's name. Were they?

Why would Yahweh plunge the civilization of Rome, with health, farming and sanitation, back into the primitive squalor of ancient Jerusalem, if so?

If not, why did he not stop such a terror? It seems to be in His purview.

How does one determine if an act is done in God's will, or men's will?
Does the Bible tell us?

Understanding that free will is a constraint - we can also understand that mob's and large numbers of people lose free will, does this fall into God's purview, then?

In short, how does one know what God is responsible for;
Any group decision?
A decision influenced by prayer?

The position is that presented by Romans 13:
Obey the rulers who have authority over you. Only God can give authority to anyone, and he puts these rulers in their places of power. 2 People who oppose the authorities are opposing what God has done, and they will be punished. 3 Rulers are a threat to evil people, not to good people. There is no need to be afraid of the authorities. Just do right, and they will praise you for it. 4 After all, they are God’s servants, and it is their duty to help you.
The position of the OP is: those atrocities committed by governments, God's will, and he is responsible for them.
Psalms 139:
16 Your eyes saw my unformed body; all the days ordained for me were written in your book before one of them came to be.
(NIV)

According to the Bible, everything has already been written in God's book. Everything that occurs is part of God's plan, including Hitler and the holocaust.
Image "The word God is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses, the Bible a collection of honorable, but still primitive legends which are nevertheless pretty childish. No interpretation no matter how subtle can (for me) change this." -- Albert Einstein -- Written in 1954 to Jewish philosopher Erik Gutkind.

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