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What is God responsible for?

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Many things were done in God's name:
But what is he responsible for?

When the Catholic Nazi Germany attempts a genocide, a man is blamed.
When Hebrews commit genocide on the Canaan, it is his will.

We have plagues, on Catholic countries, for example. The Dark Ages were committed in Yahweh's name. Were they?

Why would Yahweh plunge the civilization of Rome, with health, farming and sanitation, back into the primitive squalor of ancient Jerusalem, if so?

If not, why did he not stop such a terror? It seems to be in His purview.

How does one determine if an act is done in God's will, or men's will?
Does the Bible tell us?

Understanding that free will is a constraint - we can also understand that mob's and large numbers of people lose free will, does this fall into God's purview, then?

In short, how does one know what God is responsible for;
Any group decision?
A decision influenced by prayer?

The position is that presented by Romans 13:
Obey the rulers who have authority over you. Only God can give authority to anyone, and he puts these rulers in their places of power. 2 People who oppose the authorities are opposing what God has done, and they will be punished. 3 Rulers are a threat to evil people, not to good people. There is no need to be afraid of the authorities. Just do right, and they will praise you for it. 4 After all, they are God’s servants, and it is their duty to help you.
The position of the OP is: those atrocities committed by governments, God's will, and he is responsible for them.

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onewithhim wrote:

Jehovah is concerned with guiding and protecting His relatively small group of people on Earth who are looking to Him for guidance in enduring this crazy world.

Perhaps Jehovah will eventually get round to instructing his small band in some of the lessons Jesus taught, such as being kind to one's neighbour, be they Samaritan or Catholic or Muslim.

Regardless of how one spins the coin the Jehovah of the OT was responsible for millions of people being killed; he hasn't improved with age.

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onewithhim wrote:
Willum wrote: [Replying to onewithhim]
Thank you for the reply, but it did not help me understand what terrestrial things God is responsible for. Why is one genocide empowered by God good, and another bad? How does one know which is which?

[Replying to post 9 by dio9]

Is there some scripture that helps us determine when acts are in God's area of responsibility, and those that are man's?
God is responsible for how he guides and protects his worshipers on Earth. Jesus was appointed by Jehovah to rule over the earth, and Jesus is now readying his followers to enter Paradise on Earth. He guides the preaching work about the Kingdom government of God, and soon this government will get rid of human rulerships and be the only government that will exist over the earth. (Rev.7:15-17; Isaiah 61:1,2; Luke 1:31-33; Daniel 2:44; Matthew 24:14)

Right now the most important thing in the history of mankind is putting faith in that coming Kingdom and do all we can to tell all people about it. God's own government by Christ is the answer to all of our problems.

I thought I answered your questions in my previous post. Would you mind reading it again and then tell me what you don't understand?


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Excellent answer, many see God as inactive because they have not been educated as to the kingdom, Jehovah, although not respossible for the suffering of humans haso taken measures to eliminate human governments and put in place his own system, to the eternal blessings of mankind.

Evidence: Matthew 6:9,10


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JehovahsWitness wrote:

Jehovah, although not respossible for the suffering of humans has taken measures to eliminate human governments and put in place his own system, to the eternal blessings of mankind.

Evidence: Matthew 6:9,10
How has God taken measures to eliminate human governments?
Answer: Our Father who art in heaven, hallowed by thy name.

This answer certainly vies with anything the Delphic Oracle produced. The OP concerns God's responsibilities. Saying that Jehovah's name should be sanctified is hardly dealing with the matter of responsibility.


We must surely concede that Jehovah is responsible for what he has done. Adam didn't make volcanoes - Jehovah did. Ergo ....

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marco wrote:
JehovahsWitness wrote:

Jehovah, although not respossible for the suffering of humans has taken measures to eliminate human governments and put in place his own system, to the eternal blessings of mankind.

Evidence: Matthew 6:9,10

How has God taken measures to eliminate human governments?
# QUESTION: What is God's Kingdom and how will it prove a blessing for mankind?

God's kingdom is a govenement made up of Jesus and 144,000 co-rulers. This govenment will soon destroy all forms of human rulership and replace manmade governments with one world government. This world government, located in heaven and headed by Jesus himself, will elimnate all world problems such as hunger, war, injustice, pollution... and ensure that those that yearn for peace and security can live on this our planet earth under the conditions all righteous hearted people long for.


#How has God taken measures to eliminate human governments?


God has already taken specific measure to ensure that this government is fully operational.

#1 He has selected it "President" (the King, and commander in Chief) Jesus (see Isaiah 9:6; Mat 28: 19).

#2 He has chosen the majority of its "cabinet members"; the co-rulers, many of which are already in heaven working in their chosen positions (see Phil 3:20).

#3 He has outlined the "mandate" and requirements for citizenship, in His word the bible (1 Cor 6:9, 10)

#4 He has gathered and is educating millions of subjects, already loyal to his government as to future requirements (see Isaiah 11:9; Rev 7:9).

#5 He has previewed a date for the taking over of power from human to Divine rule as well as the angelic military force in place to ensure that that takeover takes place (Dan 2:44)


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[Replying to post 23 by marco]

Come on everybody, this is the Theology and Doctrine section.
If I wanted non-theistic opinion, I would have posted on the apologetics page, as I frequently do.

I think I've posted a respectable topic, yet all that has come back are anecdotes and opinions (and scripture that doesn't fit the topic).

Anecdotes and opinions are not dogma doctrine.

Surely there must be a way to describe if God's hand is in any work.
We have the idea of free-will, allowing men do as they please without God's interference.
But doesn't this mean, that, when men are acting in a group, and free-will is minimized, that God is at liberty to take a hand?

Do we see God driving government?

Not to repeat, but on Earth, what does God do? What is he responsible for doing? and what verses state that?

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Willum wrote: Not to repeat, but on Earth, what does God do?
My post see above outlined with scriptures what God does.

Willum wrote:I think I've posted a respectable topic [...] what is he responsible for doing? and what verses state that?
In addition to the evidence I posted earlier, we know that on a daily basis of course he ensures that the earth continues to function, that people continue to live (since it is his spirit that keeps them alive) so that they can benefit from everything they deem as positive in their lives. The evidence for this is undeniable, see for example James 1:17.
Every good and perfect gift is from above, coming down from the Father of the heavenly lights
With reference to human endeavors and the suffering that has caused I think Deuteronomy has all the evidence we need as to responsibility. It states:
The Rock! His work is perfect, For all His ways are just; A God of faithfulness and without injustice, Righteous and upright is He. 5"They have acted corruptly toward Him, They are not His children, because of their defect; But are a perverse and crooked generation
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[quote="Willum"]


I thought I was answering the question: What is God responsible for? And I thought the answer was simply that he was responsible for everything he made, given he was the originator.

Others have indicated God's role in government. I don't see this, but one can interpret Scripture in many ways.

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[Replying to post 26 by JehovahsWitness]

I read them.
They are descriptive, not indicative.

Here, I'll give you an example:
What are goldfish responsible for?
They are responsible for swimming and being gold.

Join me in a resounding chorus of "Huh?!"

God is perfect tells me nothing, in that I see no perfection in any of his works. So if you are going to invoke perfection, you have to give me something substantiative, not circular.
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[Replying to post 27 by marco]

Well, your answer does mean I need to elaborate: How do we know he performs some acts and not others?

To the quick, how can we know which genocides are God-sanctioned or not? When can God take action, vs., when he can't a-la free will?

(Thanks for your patience.)

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Willum wrote:Do we see God driving government?
We see him driving HIS government - his heavenly kingdom government of 144,000 spirit anointed members of government along with Jesus ruling from Heaven since 1914 (Rev 14:1). The ever increasing number of request to become citizens (Isaiah 60:22: Rev 7:9), the ever improving educational program (Isaiah 60: 16, 17), the organization and implementation of a stupendous international preaching and teaching program (Mat 24:14), and much more...

Secular governments lead by human leaders of course are part of Satan's system and destined for destruction (Dan 2:44)


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