meaning of clouds

dio9 · Post by **dio9** » Sun Dec 25, 2016 7:27 am

Dan. 7:13 "As I watched in the night visions, I saw one like a human being coming with the clouds of heaven. And he came to the Ancient One and was presented before him."

Do you think this inspired the idea meeting the lord in the air on the last days?
Clouds are really used as a metaphor .
Jeremiah used clouds to describe the coming of the king of Assyria, 4:13 "Look! He comes up like clouds, his chariots like the whirlwind; his horses are swifter than eagles" woe to us, for we are ruined!"

dio9 · Post by **dio9** » Thu Dec 29, 2016 3:18 am

[Replying to post 20 by Monta]

Yes that's a good one, humanity as the garment of God, very good. As I understand , our God is a God of history who acts through people, when he can.

JehovahsWitness · Post by **JehovahsWitness** » Thu Dec 29, 2016 6:41 am

dio9 wrote: [Replying to post 17 by onewithhim]

what ? you don't believe God became man IN Jesus?

If I may interject some information: Jehovah's Witnesses are not trinitarian, we do not believe Almighty God (YHWH) became flesh (was born as a human) at all. We believe no human has literally seen God at any time.

dio9 wrote:Are you aware of what John said about people who said Jesus Christ did not come in the flesh? God can became man, he did .

Yes. That is not a problem because we believe that Jesus is the SON of God and that he (Jesus/The Word) became flesh (was born as a human on earth). Jesus represented or spoke for his Father (who remained invisible to humans in heaven).

dio9 wrote: God can became man, he did .

No, He did not.

Hope that clarifies things,

JW

dio9 · Post by **dio9** » Thu Dec 29, 2016 1:42 pm

[Replying to post 22 by JehovahsWitness]

Do JW's believe Jesus was the Christ?

Tired of the Nonsense · Thu Dec 29, 2016 1:52 pm

dio9 wrote: Dan. 7:13 "As I watched in the night visions, I saw one like a human being coming with the clouds of heaven. And he came to the Ancient One and was presented before him."

Do you think this inspired the idea meeting the lord in the air on the last days?
Clouds are really used as a metaphor .
Jeremiah used clouds to describe the coming of the king of Assyria, 4:13 "Look! He comes up like clouds, his chariots like the whirlwind; his horses are swifter than eagles" woe to us, for we are ruined!"

And yet clouds are really nothing more than a collection of water vapor, forming shapes at random.

JehovahsWitness · Post by **JehovahsWitness** » Thu Dec 29, 2016 2:45 pm

dio9 wrote: [Replying to post 22 by JehovahsWitness]

Do JW's believe Jesus was the Christ?

Yes we believe Jesus is the Christ, absolutely. We are Christians, we are just not trinitarians.

source; https://www.jw.org/en/jehovahs-witnesse ... hristians/

ttruscott · Post by **ttruscott** » Thu Dec 29, 2016 3:30 pm

Monta wrote:
dio9 wrote: [Replying to post 17 by onewithhim]

what ? you don't believe God became man IN Jesus? Are you aware of what John said about people who said Jesus Christ did not come in the flesh? God can became man, he did .
Quite right. We seem to give God physical attributes of time/space as in who would run the universe...
I like one thologian's description 'Christ put on humanity like a garment'
while his divinity was not limited in any way.

His garment seems to have had some (separate?) life of its own though the essential HE was not limited, the body as Jesus spoke as if limited sometimes.

ttruscott · Post by **ttruscott** » Thu Dec 29, 2016 3:40 pm

Delete.
Re-think necessary...

onewithhim · Post by **onewithhim** » Fri Dec 30, 2016 12:53 am

dio9 wrote: [Replying to post 17 by onewithhim]

what ? you don't believe God became man IN Jesus? Are you aware of what John said about people who said Jesus Christ did not come in the flesh? God can became man, he did .

Dio....God did not become man. John said that people who did not believe that JESUS did not come in the flesh were anti-christs, not that GOD came in the flesh. See how easy it is to subtly twist a scripture? You make "Jesus" into "God" in that verse. Big difference.

onewithhim · Post by **onewithhim** » Fri Dec 30, 2016 1:00 am

Monta wrote:
dio9 wrote: [Replying to post 17 by onewithhim]

what ? you don't believe God became man IN Jesus? Are you aware of what John said about people who said Jesus Christ did not come in the flesh? God can became man, he did .
Quite right. We seem to give God physical attributes of time/space as in who would run the universe...
I like one thologian's description 'Christ put on humanity like a garment'
while his divinity was not limited in any way.

Christ did put on humanity, but that is not to say that GOD put on humanity. And I agree that Jesus was and is divine. But "divine" does not mean that he was God. What is the definition of "divine"?

"Of, from, or like God, or, a god; more than humanly excellent." Illustrated Oxford Dictionary Not God.

Even the angels are "divine." So let's not teach that "divine" is the equivalent of "diety, or, God."

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onewithhim · Post by **onewithhim** » Fri Dec 30, 2016 1:04 am

dio9 wrote: [Replying to post 20 by Monta]

Yes that's a good one, humanity as the garment of God, very good. As I understand , our God is a God of history who acts through people, when he can.

Don't forget.....God is Jehovah, the Father and God of Jesus. Jesus himself said that the Father was "the only true God." (John 17:3) He referred to the Father as "my God." (John 20:17b) If Jesus was God, how could he HAVE a God?

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