At the beginning of the Bible, we are told that Adam and Eve sinned. ("Original Sin")
And all future generations inherited their guilt.
Is that true?
And wasn't that rather unjust of God?
Should all people be blamed for Adam's sin?
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Re: Should all people be blamed for Adam's sin?
Post #2I don't think it is true that we inherited Adam's sin like Calvinists, Arminians and Roman Catholics do. I reject it becausepolonius.advice wrote: At the beginning of the Bible, we are told that Adam and Eve sinned. ("Original Sin")
And all future generations inherited their guilt.
Is that true?
And wasn't that rather unjust of God?
1. It makes GOD responsible for us being sinners by making us human in Adam's sin and therefore we are not guilty for our own sin but Adam and GOD are. This supposes HE could have made us innocent and allowed us to sin by our own free will like HE did for Adam an argument for which I've never heard any rebuttal why HE couldn't create us like Adam being offered.
2. Necessitates that the GOD who is loving and righteous created evil.
3. Implies that HE created the people HE wanted for HIS bride as evil scum, equal to the most degenerate of HIS creation (and not by their choice but by HIS creation) and then went to all the trouble and suffering of this earthly life to redeem them so HE could finally marry them!
Who can believe this blasphemy????
PCE Theology as I see it...
We had an existence with a free will in Sheol before the creation of the physical universe. Here we chose to be able to become holy or to be eternally evil in YHWH's sight. Then the physical universe was created and all sinners were sent to earth.
This theology debunks the need to base Christianity upon the blasphemy of creating us in Adam's sin.
We had an existence with a free will in Sheol before the creation of the physical universe. Here we chose to be able to become holy or to be eternally evil in YHWH's sight. Then the physical universe was created and all sinners were sent to earth.
This theology debunks the need to base Christianity upon the blasphemy of creating us in Adam's sin.
Re: Should all people be blamed for Adam's sin?
Post #3[Replying to post 2 by ttruscott]
Is it harder to believe than the concept that every Jew is under the Law because some distant ancestors spoke on his behalf?
Is it harder to believe than the concept that every Jew is under the Law because some distant ancestors spoke on his behalf?
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Re: Should all people be blamed for Adam's sin?
Post #4There is no blasphemy in accepting that so why not believe it?postroad wrote: [Replying to post 2 by ttruscott]
Is it harder to believe than the concept that every Jew is under the Law because some distant ancestors spoke on his behalf?
PCE Theology as I see it...
We had an existence with a free will in Sheol before the creation of the physical universe. Here we chose to be able to become holy or to be eternally evil in YHWH's sight. Then the physical universe was created and all sinners were sent to earth.
This theology debunks the need to base Christianity upon the blasphemy of creating us in Adam's sin.
We had an existence with a free will in Sheol before the creation of the physical universe. Here we chose to be able to become holy or to be eternally evil in YHWH's sight. Then the physical universe was created and all sinners were sent to earth.
This theology debunks the need to base Christianity upon the blasphemy of creating us in Adam's sin.
Re: Should all people be blamed for Adam's sin?
Post #6That interpretation is certainly steeped in unfairness. But it enabled a huge theology to bloom around Christ's redemption.polonius.advice wrote: At the beginning of the Bible, we are told that Adam and Eve sinned. ("Original Sin")
And all future generations inherited their guilt.
Is that true?
And wasn't that rather unjust of God?
The Genesis scenario is imaginative and figurative, since nobody witnessed it, and so it would be absurd to extract consequences from a figure of speech.
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Re: Should all people be blamed for Adam's sin?
Post #7Warmest greetings, my fine fellow debater!!Marco wrote:The Genesis scenario is imaginative and figurative, since nobody witnessed it, and so it would be absurd to extract consequences from a figure of speech.
So, all things not witnessed are imaginative and figurative, or does that apply to only spiritual matters? I just would like to clarify!!
Blessings for a wonderful day, for a pretty wonderful guy!!
Re: Should all people be blamed for Adam's sin?
Post #8Could I cut in here?Peds nurse wrote:Warmest greetings, my fine fellow debater!!Marco wrote:The Genesis scenario is imaginative and figurative, since nobody witnessed it, and so it would be absurd to extract consequences from a figure of speech.
So, all things not witnessed are imaginative and figurative, or does that apply to only spiritual matters? I just would like to clarify!!
Blessings for a wonderful day, for a pretty wonderful guy!!
Many things not visible can be demonstrated to be probable using the scientific method.
Would you abandon your beliefs if they failed the scientific test?
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Post #9postroad wrote:Peds nurse wrote:Warmest greetings, my fine fellow debater!!Marco wrote:The Genesis scenario is imaginative and figurative, since nobody witnessed it, and so it would be absurd to extract consequences from a figure of speech.
So, all things not witnessed are imaginative and figurative, or does that apply to only spiritual matters? I just would like to clarify!!
Blessings for a wonderful day, for a pretty wonderful guy!!
You absolutely can cut inPostroad wrote:Could I cut in here?
Many things not visible can be demonstrated to be probable using the scientific method.
Would you abandon your beliefs if they failed the scientific test?Hello Postroad!! I hope this finds you well!
The answer to your question isn't absolute. I realize that science would say that donkeys cannot talk...completely understandable! I actually, would agree. However, considering the power of God, it certainly is possible.
Perhaps, the example above isn't what you were talking about at all...so I look forward to your clarification!
Re: Should all people be blamed for Adam's sin?
Post #10RESPONSE: If something is not witnessed then there is no proof that it occurred. It's called reality checking.Peds nurse wrote:Warmest greetings, my fine fellow debater!!Marco wrote:The Genesis scenario is imaginative and figurative, since nobody witnessed it, and so it would be absurd to extract consequences from a figure of speech.
So, all things not witnessed are imaginative and figurative, or does that apply to only spiritual matters? I just would like to clarify!!
Blessings for a wonderful day, for a pretty wonderful guy!!