Where is God

[JehovahsWitness]

Jehovah's Witnesses believe God to be in Heaven, but that he can see everywhere and that his power can reach any part of the universe.


My question is: Where do you believe god is?

- Does he live Heaven?
- Does he literally live Inside of you (in your heart or another organ)?
- Is he literally everywhere?

[Hector Barbosa]

[Replying to post 19 by JehovahsWitness]

But there WAS no implied assumption. And in regard to spirit I have not stated anything about what spirit was or not. But I would love to see the evidence of the points you make about spirit.

[Hector Barbosa]

Jehovah's Witnesses believe God to be in Heaven, but that he can see everywhere and that his power can reach any part of the universe.


My question is: Where do you believe god is?

- Does he live Heaven?
- Does he literally live Inside of you (in your heart or another organ)?
- Is he literally everywhere?

But this power which can reach any part of the universe, is that what Jehova's Witnesses call the spirit? For that is not the way many others define spirit.

Whats the difference between spirit, the holy spirit, energy, light of Christ, conscience and consciousness then?

[hoghead1]

[Replying to post 22 by Hector Barbosa]

I view the universe as the body of God. I don't know any other metaphor that dos justice to God's great intimacy and sensitivity to all things.

[JehovahsWitness]

But I would love to see the evidence of the points you make about spirit.

EVIDENCE


Do spirits have bodies? "If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual body." 1 Cor 15:44

Is God a spirit? "God is spirit" John4:24

Is God everywhere? see above

Can not God in Heaven be physical? "physical bodies cannot inherit the Kingdom of God" 1 Cor 15:50 NLT

But this power which can reach any part of the universe, is that what Jehova's Witnesses call the spirit?

The word "spirit" (Greek pneuma) refers to different things in the bible, but in connection with God, his spirit or the holy spirit does indeed refer to his active force or "power" that he uses for various uses. For example in the bible book of Genesis God "spirit" is spoken of as moving over the earth in the creative works. It's the same spirit (life force) that keeps every living breathing being alive. When used in connection to God's will and purpose it is usually referred to as the "holy" spirit.


JW

[Hector Barbosa]

[Replying to post 24 by JehovahsWitness]

Yes well all of that I agree with and understand, and none of these points go against any argument I have made.

I was referring to evidence of these 3 points you listed.

1) a spirit: that can be "everywhere" ie without a body
or
2) a physical being with a (presumed) physical body (that could not).

I simply introduced a third (biblical) option

3) a spirit with a non-physical body (that is in a fixed "location")

That the spirit can be everywhere at the same time without a body.

Sure a spirit is not limited by places which would kill a physical body, such as a burning sun or ice-cold planet, that makes sense.

But how can spirit be everywhere at once? And what then is the difference between spirit, energy, consciousness or life?

And how do any of your points contradict any point I have made?

[JehovahsWitness]

[Replying to post 24 by JehovahsWitness]

Yes well all of that I agree with and understand, and none of these points go against any argument I have made.

I didn't suggest they did.

And how do any of your points contradict any point I have made?

I didn't suggest they did.

JW

[William]

[Replying to post 1 by JehovahsWitness]

There is necessity to reconcile apparent differences in relation to the question;

1: Where do you believe god is?

2: Does he live Heaven?
3: Does he literally live Inside of you (in your heart or another organ)?
4: Is he literally everywhere?


1: Define 'god'

2: 'God' is at least defined as a male. Heaven is not defined. Define heaven.

3: Define 'you' - seems the definition is 'the human body' but is that the truth?

4: A male entity which is everywhere. Is this even an adequate definition which allows for any truthful answer to be uncovered? It seems rather that the questions are loaded in favor of a not well defined male entity calling itself (or being called) 'God', which lives in a not so well defined alternate reality called 'heaven' and also can live 'within' a human form as well as be everywhere all at once.

How can these definitions (as loose as they are) be reconciled with each other without contradiction?

The way I do it is as follows;

1: GOD is not a male, female, or anything which can be identified through the concept of form. GOD is formless.

2: In this, GOD is always 'where' GOD is.

GOD is a conscious self aware being which had no beginning and will have no end. The quintessence of the nature of Consciousness, regardless of being within form or not, is that it is eternal.

3: If 'you' is defined as consciousness, then 'you' reside within human form. 'You' can thus be defined as an aspect of GOD within human form.

4: Can consciousness be everywhere all at once? There is no logical reason I can think of as to why this cannot indeed be the case. However, consciousness is more easily identifiable to those in form, through other forms - especially similar forms.

Is GOD within the earth, experiencing being a planet connected to all other aspects of its consciousness individuate in myriad forms? I don't see why not?

Would such be an accurate representation of GOD undivided/whole, without 'others'? I would argue, 'potentially, yes. But it takes effort in time and in space for this to become apparent, and it only remains potential for as long as it is not actualized.

Thus the parts need reconciling with each other.

In the story of Job, as mentioned in this thread, (post # 9) there is the case of an aspect of God wanting to prove to another aspect of God that Lot was a loyal believer in the ultimate goodness of God.

There is a definite separating process happening within the psyche of the God presented.

How do I reconcile that?

IF what is being described in the Biblical rendering of the God process, is that this is an aspect of the GOD in the wholeness position, (without form) then the aspect has form, and the form is The Earth itself, (further aspects of this aspect of God also in reside in the forms on the planet) THEN the process is understandable for that.

The aspect which is incarnated as the Planet starts from a beginning position - one of ignorance of any prior existence and self identifies AS the planet, and therein also infuses itself into the forms ON the planets, and as such also identifies as being those forms and it is in the process of working itself out as to what it is (a God) and from that, 'what exactly IS a 'God'?

Thus the separating the 'devil' from itself as it progresses toward true God-Head.

In the story of Job, and indeed in many of the biblical stories, this is the process we are (and have been and will continue to be) involved within.

We are - literally that God, in our individual forms, trying to nut it out.

This is why Job passed the test as it were. Because, he understood the nature of GOD to being essentially GOOD, and therefore, even with the evil Job experiences, this in itself did not cause him to lose faith in the GOOD of God, as quintessence.

Always in relation to human beings, GOD is whatever we make of it - but even that being the case, we are not separate from it in any way. As the planet, the Entity in question is closer to the truth of what IT is, than we are as individuals trying to understand it.

I my opinion, IT wants to be GOOD.

I desire to support THAT.

How?

By allowing IT to be expressed through my behavior and into the world as GOOD.

[Hector Barbosa]

[Replying to post 26 by JehovahsWitness]

Ok... seem the wind is out of our sails then, and we have sea Doldrums

[Blastcat]

[Replying to post 1 by JehovahsWitness]




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My question is: Where do you believe god is?

- Does he live Heaven?

Where is that?

- Does he literally live Inside of you (in your heart or another organ)?

How would I know?

- Is he literally everywhere?

I don't even pretend to say that I know.
Why do you ask?

[Blastcat]

[Replying to post 2 by Peds nurse]

I believe that God is in Heaven, but manifests Himself in this world through His Spirit.

How do you know?
Or do you just believe it?