Does God change his mind?

[OnceConvinced]

A Christian member of our forum recently pointed out a bible contradiction for all to see:

This verse was presented first:
Numbers 23:19 "God is not human, that he should lie, not a human being, that he should change his mind."

The Christian then attempted to trump it with a contradictory scripture where God DOES change his mind, thus exposing a blatant bible contradiction:

Jeremiah 18:8 "But if that nation about which I spoke turns from its evil way, I'll change my mind about the disaster that I had planned for it."

Here are further verses that show God changing his mind:

Exodus 32:14
So the LORD changed His mind about the harm which He said He would do to His people.

Amos 7:3
The LORD changed His mind about this. "It shall not be," said the LORD.

Jeremiah 18:10
if it does evil in My sight by not obeying My voice, then I will think better of the good with which I had promised to bless it. (wow this is a verse where God says he will break his promise!!)


So questions for debate:

Does Got change his mind?
If he does change his mind, how do we know he hasn't changed his mind about much of what he expected from us in the New Testament?
If he does change his mind, how can we really know what he wants of us today?

[OnceConvinced]

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[William]

[Replying to post 179 by William]

Yes, but as I have said, that doesn't mean we should collapse God into human irrationality.

I did not say to do any such thing, nor does my own understanding of GOD do any such thing. Indeed, I doubt even my expressing of that understanding into the external, does any such thing.

God gave us the ability to use logic and wants us to use it.

GOD gave us nothing. We are GOD experiencing human form on this planet. The ability is thus not given (by some outside Entity) but is part of who we are and can be accessed through the human experience provided our form functions adequately enough for that purpose and we actually want to.

That we have chosen to experience this universe and its limitations does not mean that we are not of GOD. Ignorance and arrogance + false data = a recipe for self deceit.
We are here to experience, and through experience, help the whole collect the data of that experience. We are all on the same ship but many of us are not on board with that.


The planet Entity does indeed want us to use logic for the purpose of honing our assessing and discerning capabilities and responding to the true data available to us through that process.
There are many aspects to the True GOD (Source Consciousness) and these vary depending on their position and form within this universe. All are True GODs in that sense, as long as they are purposefully evolving toward that ideal and leaving behind their ignorance and arrogance in assuming they have made it already and are worthy of the title. Such assumption is false data and always loops back on itself, affecting no significant changes. Certainly none helpful to the process.

[hoghead1]

[Replying to William]

I certainly think we are all part of the being of God, that God is omnipresent, sharing in our experiences and that we share in God's feelings as well. However, I would not draw a blanket equation between ourselves and God, either.

[William]

[Replying to hoghead1]

Define 'blanket equation'. What does that mean in relation to what I am saying?

[Blastcat]

[Replying to post 203 by hoghead1]



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I certainly think we are all part of the being of God, that God is omnipresent, sharing in our experiences and that we share in God's feelings as well.

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[hoghead1]

[Replying to William]

By "blanket equation," I mean saying things, as you did above, that "we are God." My response is that we are all part of the being of God, but that definitely doe not mean we can claim to be God. I am part of the community band, true, but , as a part, I am not the band per se, cannot say," I am the band." Being part of a larger, all-inclusive whole does not mean you can identify with the whole. God transcends me, just as I transcend any one of the cells in my body. God transcends me because God enjoys a direct, immediate empathic response to all creaturely feeling, whereas you and I are strangers to sensitivity on that grand of a scale.

[William]

[Replying to post 206 by hoghead1]

I would say that if you are taking what I have been saying the way you have described, then you are incorrect.

I often use the phrase 'aspects of GOD/First Source, and this in itself isn't at all suggesting we are First Source in IT completeness.

What it is saying is that we cannot be truly separate from First Source.

I am also saying that - depending on the form First Source inhabits, the experience will be different in relation to other experiences, but all experiences are essentially being had by First Source. {LINK}

First Source inhabiting the experience of the planet earth as that entity has a vastly different experience than you or I, but it is one we are more able to appreciate than the experience First Source is having as the universe.

There are different layers to GOD, and we are one of those layers of experience.

That is really all I mean to signify in relation to saying we are First Source/GOD.

I thought it was obvious that was what I was saying, but hopefully this additional explanation helps.

[Blastcat]

[Replying to post 207 by William]



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What it is saying is that we cannot be truly separate from First Source.

Cannot?
Why not?

Causes generally aren't the same as their effects.

But if you are thinking of a creator, I could easily say that "he did that". There is a connection, but the CAUSAL connection is over. It's in the past. The creator created something, and the painting is not being created any more.


Unless of course, the creator keeps piling on the paint.


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[hoghead1]

[Replying to post 207 by William]

Yes, your explanation helped clarify your position.

[Monta]

[Replying to post 202 by William]

"GOD gave us nothing. We are GOD experiencing human form on this planet."


It is important to choose words wisely especially when making claims like this.