Jehovah's Witnesses...

[Elijah John]

This question is specifically for Jehovah's Witnesses, but anyone is welcome to chime in.

As an organization who understands and appreciates the name of God, Father Jehovah, why regard Paul at all? Someone who places Jesus name above all, even above the name of Father Jehovah?

The Watchtower Society proclaims the name of the LORD Jehovah, Paul? Never. Unless I am missing something.

He seems to equate "the Lord" with "Christ", not YHVH.

Therefore God exalted him to the highest place and gave him the name that is above every name

Phillippians 2.9

For debate...has Paul put Jesus name above every other name including YHVH's?

If it was God and not Paul who did this, where does YHVH say He would ever do this, putting the Messiah's name above His own?

If not, why doesn't Paul proclaim YHVH's name, only Jesus?

If Paul has put Jesus name above all, why should anyone who loves YHVH consider Paul's writings "Sacred Scripture"?

[hoghead1]

[Replying to post 39 by onewithhim]

Rom. 10:13 does not use the word "Jehovah," which is an incorrect translation, to start with. The Greek word Paul uses there is best translated as Lord. So the translation your are referring to is totally incorrect.

[onewithhim]

[Replying to post 39 by onewithhim]

Rom. 10:13 does not use the word "Jehovah," which is an incorrect translation, to start with. The Greek word Paul uses there is best translated as Lord. So the translation your are referring to is totally incorrect.

You apparently have not been following the discussion on whether or not the Tetragrammaton was ever used in the Christian Greek Scriptures. Evidence has already been presented that shows that it almost undoubtedly WAS used, and it was only when scribes MUCH LATER, in the 3rd century, removed the Tetragrammaton from the Greek text and placed "Kyrios" there instead that God's name got deleted from the N.T.

You are way behind.

[Elijah John]

I believe it has been posted by myself in past posts and by JW on a recent post:

"'Everyone who calls on the name of JEHOVAH will be saved.'" (Romans 10:13) Paul was quoting from Joel 2:32, as Peter did at Acts 2:21.

Yes, we know that the NWT uses the name Jehovah in the New Testament. And for that verse.

And so does the Aramaic Bible in Plain English:

“For everyone who will call the name of THE LORD JEHOVAH shall be saved.�

But Bible Hub reveals no other translation that does so, unless I missed it. Not even the American Standard Version, which JW's used to use before the NWT. The ASV honors the name "Jehovah" but not in the NT. And certainly not in Romans 10.13.

Sure, the NT could have redacted the Name of Jehovah and removed the Divine Name from the earliest translations, or Paul could have simply lifted and twisted the Joel quote and applied it to Jesus instead, in an act of conflation and revisionism.

It serves his agenda to glorify his "Christ" above all, and he has been known to do this before. The "every knee shall bow" passage comes to mind. Originally about YHVH, (it's from Isaiah) Paul lifts, twists and reworks the passage in order to apply it to Jesus.

But adds, "to the glory of God the Father". As though that disclaimer makes it OK to usurp God's glory and give it to Jesus.

I have no evidence that YHVH God gave His own glory to Jesus, but it seems far more likely that Paul attempted to "borrow(?) YHVH's glory and apply it TO Jesus.

Glorifying Jesus to God-like levels is Paul's doing (and Johns) not YHVH's. That's the way I read it anyway.

[hoghead1]

[Replying to post 43 by Elijah John]

No, no other translation dos so, simply because there is no "Jehovah" in the NT. The NWT is a corrupt translation, no doubt about it.

[hoghead1]

[Replying to post 42 by onewithhim]

Sorry, but no such evidence. I think you pulled that one before, citing sources that spoke only of the OT in Greek, a point you didn't mention. So definitely no takers on this one.

[Sword007]

duplicate post

[Sword007]

[Replying to Elijah John]

Hi Elijah, thanks for the welcome. We don't know what Paul called God. It does not say in the Scriptures, so we really can't speculate. However, nothing is said that he did not honor and respect the One True God. He was indeed obedient when God sent him to be the apostle to the Gentiles. He was to preach Christ and Him crucified.

I do believe Paul intended to honor the one true God, but he did not honor him by name. His name is YHVH, (Yahweh, Jehovah) not Jesus.

And you are right, Paul preached "Christ and him crucified" or as Thomas Paine puts it: "instead of God, a man is preached."

The Scriptures tells us there is no other name under heaven where by men must be saved, except by the Name of the Lord Jesus Christ.

Thomas Paine was not a Christian, In fact, he once wrote: "My own mind is my own church."

[polonius]

Sword007 posted:

The Scriptures tells us there is no other name under heaven whereby men must be saved, except by the Name of the Lord Jesus Christ.

QUESTION: So are you telling us that scripture says there are only Christians in heaven?
Or is scripture in error on this point?

[JehovahsWitness]

But Bible Hub reveals no other translation that does so, unless I missed it.

Here are some other translations you might to look into before coming to a definitive decision on the subject.

DIVINE NAME in NEW TESTATMENT (Various Translations)




source: http://web.archive.org/web/200406060427 ... m/yhwh.htm

- A Literal Translation of the New Testament (based on Vatican Manuscript) by Herman Heinfetter (1863)

- The Emphatic Diaglott, by Benjamin Wilson (1864) (see photo above)

- The Epistles of Paul in Modern English, by George Barker Stevens (1898)

- St. Paul’s Epistle to the Romans, by W. G. Rutherford (1900)

- The New Testament Letters, by J.W.C. Wand, Bishop of London (1946).

FOREIGN LANGUAGE TRANSLATIONS

There are literally hundreds of non-English translations in which the Divine Name
appears it the Christian Scriptures (New Testament) a selection below:



- Rotuman Bible (1999), which uses “Jihova� 51 times

- The Batak (Toba) version (1989) from Indonesia “Jahowa� 110 times.

- Nuevo Testamento de Pablo Besson, “Jehová� at Luke 2:15 and Jude 14, and nearly 100 footnotes

- In the German language alone, at least 11 versions use “Jehovah� (or the transliteration of the Hebrew “Yahweh�) in the Christian Greek Scriptures,

(4 add the name in parentheses after “Lord.�)

- 70 German translations use the divine name in footnotes or commentaries.

[Elijah John]

[Replying to post 49 by JehovahsWitness]

Your various sources cannot seem to agree on the number of times the Tetragrammaton appears in the NT.

from 6 to 277.

But thanks for the leads for other translations that honor the Name of God anyway.