What purpose would a system of government have when God is both omnipotent and omniscient? Why would an omnipotent God need to delegate in order to effectively rule? Can you perhaps give a few examples of what these rulers would be tasked to do? What purpose would rulers have in a paradise society? There is no economy to take care of, no resource distribution, no justice system as all members at this point will be free of sin... what is left for the rulers to do?JehovahsWitness wrote:
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Post #81Am I to understand you cannot explain Matthew 25:46 and Daniel 12:2?Benoni wrote:Such a monsters of a God that would do such a horrible thing to trillions of people He never called. You are speaking of torture of trillions of people forever and ever with no mercy. And you call that good news???????Justin108 wrote:Matthew 25:46Benoni wrote: To know. To grow. I am a Univerasist Christian and do believe that ultimately all people will know God and ultimately all will be free of this sin and death we deal with in this world today. The reason God is calling his elect which is so all people will know who God is. He is not this god that is taught in the religious world today. All hell means the grave or the pit. God's fire is spiritual in nature and will burn up all the sin and death and make all of His creation free and pure.
"These will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life."
Daniel 12:2
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"Many of those who sleep in the dust of the ground will awake, these to everlasting life, but the others to disgrace and everlasting contempt.
Can you perhaps explain these two verses?
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Post #82What purpose would a system of government have when God is both omnipotent and omniscient? Why would an omnipotent God need to delegate in order to effectively rule? Can you perhaps give a few examples of what these rulers would be tasked to do? What purpose would rulers have in a paradise society? There is no economy to take care of, no resource distribution, no justice system as all members at this point will be free of sin... what is left for the rulers to do?
Matthew 25:46To know. To grow. I am a Univerasist Christian and do believe that ultimately all people will know God and ultimately all will be free of this sin and death we deal with in this world today. The reason God is calling his elect which is so all people will know who God is. He is not this god that is taught in the religious world today. All hell means the grave or the pit. God's fire is spiritual in nature and will burn up all the sin and death and make all of His creation free and pure.
"These will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life."
Daniel 12:2
Verse Concepts
"Many of those who sleep in the dust of the ground will awake, these to everlasting life, but the others to disgrace and everlasting contempt.
Can you perhaps explain these two verses?[/quote]
We miss so much vital truth by our careless scanning of the Bible, and by clinging tenaciously to the time-worn traditions of the religious systems, mistaking them for the holy truths of God.
It should be clear that if the "eternal life" of Mat. 25:41 is really the "life of the ages", then the "eternal punishment" is likewise an age-lasting correction.
The Diaglott says, "Depart from Me, you cursed ones, into that aionian fire... and these shall go away into a cutting-off age lasting."
The Bible in Modern English by Farrar Fenton reads, "And these He will dismiss into a LONG CORRECTION."
Rotherham's New Testament says, "These shall go away into age-abiding correction."
Young's Literal translation renders, "And these shall go away to punishment age-during."
Take the sheep and the goats in Matthew 25. Both animals are clean under the law of Moses. So how can a goat be the loss? A pig would be an unclean animal.
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Post #83Am I to understand you cannot address why you believe God is such a terrible monster worst than Hitler, Mao and Stalin who only kill and torture people? Your God will do the same for eternity? This is where the christian faith and Islam come into agreement.Justin108 wrote:Am I to understand you cannot explain Matthew 25:46 and Daniel 12:2?Benoni wrote:Such a monsters of a God that would do such a horrible thing to trillions of people He never called. You are speaking of torture of trillions of people forever and ever with no mercy. And you call that good news???????Justin108 wrote:Matthew 25:46Benoni wrote: To know. To grow. I am a Univerasist Christian and do believe that ultimately all people will know God and ultimately all will be free of this sin and death we deal with in this world today. The reason God is calling his elect which is so all people will know who God is. He is not this god that is taught in the religious world today. All hell means the grave or the pit. God's fire is spiritual in nature and will burn up all the sin and death and make all of His creation free and pure.
"These will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life."
Daniel 12:2
Verse Concepts
"Many of those who sleep in the dust of the ground will awake, these to everlasting life, but the others to disgrace and everlasting contempt.
Can you perhaps explain these two verses?
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Post #84What does this mean? In layman's terms, what is the "life of the ages" and an age-lasting correction"?Benoni wrote: We miss so much vital truth by our careless scanning of the Bible, and by clinging tenaciously to the time-worn traditions of the religious systems, mistaking them for the holy truths of God.
It should be clear that if the "eternal life" of Mat. 25:41 is really the "life of the ages", then the "eternal punishment" is likewise an age-lasting correction.
Young's Literal TranslationBenoni wrote: Rotherham's New Testament says, "These shall go away into age-abiding correction."
Young's Literal translation renders, "And these shall go away to punishment age-during."
And these shall go away to punishment age-during, but the righteous to life age-during.'
What does "age-during" mean?
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Post #85Because that's what the text suggests.Benoni wrote:Am I to understand you cannot address why you believe God is such a terrible monster worst than Hitler, Mao and Stalin who only kill and torture people?Justin108 wrote:Am I to understand you cannot explain Matthew 25:46 and Daniel 12:2?Benoni wrote:Such a monsters of a God that would do such a horrible thing to trillions of people He never called. You are speaking of torture of trillions of people forever and ever with no mercy. And you call that good news???????Justin108 wrote:Matthew 25:46Benoni wrote: To know. To grow. I am a Univerasist Christian and do believe that ultimately all people will know God and ultimately all will be free of this sin and death we deal with in this world today. The reason God is calling his elect which is so all people will know who God is. He is not this god that is taught in the religious world today. All hell means the grave or the pit. God's fire is spiritual in nature and will burn up all the sin and death and make all of His creation free and pure.
"These will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life."
Daniel 12:2
Verse Concepts
"Many of those who sleep in the dust of the ground will awake, these to everlasting life, but the others to disgrace and everlasting contempt.
Can you perhaps explain these two verses?
My God? What makes you think I worship this God?Benoni wrote: Your God will do the same for eternity? This is where the christian faith and Islam come into agreement.
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Post #86It's the way the Greek reads. Age is also time with a beginning and end, where eternity means without beginning or end. How can anything of man be without beginning or end? We all had a beginning so there is no way the word eternal can be correct.Justin108 wrote:What does this mean? In layman's terms, what is the "life of the ages" and an age-lasting correction"?Benoni wrote: We miss so much vital truth by our careless scanning of the Bible, and by clinging tenaciously to the time-worn traditions of the religious systems, mistaking them for the holy truths of God.
It should be clear that if the "eternal life" of Mat. 25:41 is really the "life of the ages", then the "eternal punishment" is likewise an age-lasting correction.
Young's Literal TranslationBenoni wrote: Rotherham's New Testament says, "These shall go away into age-abiding correction."
Young's Literal translation renders, "And these shall go away to punishment age-during."
And these shall go away to punishment age-during, but the righteous to life age-during.'
What does "age-during" mean?
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Post #87So if something is age-during, it means it must have an end?Benoni wrote:It's the way the Greek reads. Age is also time with a beginning and end, where eternity means without beginning or end. How can anything of man be without beginning or end? We all had a beginning so there is no way the word eternal can be correct.Justin108 wrote:What does this mean? In layman's terms, what is the "life of the ages" and an age-lasting correction"?Benoni wrote: We miss so much vital truth by our careless scanning of the Bible, and by clinging tenaciously to the time-worn traditions of the religious systems, mistaking them for the holy truths of God.
It should be clear that if the "eternal life" of Mat. 25:41 is really the "life of the ages", then the "eternal punishment" is likewise an age-lasting correction.
Young's Literal TranslationBenoni wrote: Rotherham's New Testament says, "These shall go away into age-abiding correction."
Young's Literal translation renders, "And these shall go away to punishment age-during."
And these shall go away to punishment age-during, but the righteous to life age-during.'
What does "age-during" mean?
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Post #88Justin108 wrote:Benoni wrote:Am I to understand you cannot address why you believe God is such a terrible monster worst than Hitler, Mao and Stalin who only kill and torture people?Justin108 wrote:Am I to understand you cannot explain Matthew 25:46 and Daniel 12:2?Benoni wrote:Such a monsters of a God that would do such a horrible thing to trillions of people He never called. You are speaking of torture of trillions of people forever and ever with no mercy. And you call that good news???????Justin108 wrote:Matthew 25:46Benoni wrote: To know. To grow. I am a Univerasist Christian and do believe that ultimately all people will know God and ultimately all will be free of this sin and death we deal with in this world today. The reason God is calling his elect which is so all people will know who God is. He is not this god that is taught in the religious world today. All hell means the grave or the pit. God's fire is spiritual in nature and will burn up all the sin and death and make all of His creation free and pure.
"These will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life."
Daniel 12:2
Verse Concepts
"Many of those who sleep in the dust of the ground will awake, these to everlasting life, but the others to disgrace and everlasting contempt.
Can you perhaps explain these two verses?The letter killeth. The spirit quicken. Your text is killing the truth of what God is doing.Because that's what the text suggests.
My God? What makes you think I worship this God?Benoni wrote: Your God will do the same for eternity? This is where the christian faith and Islam come into agreement.
Do you not believe in eternal hell?
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Post #89Absolutely. God punish the wicked. That means prune/chastise not torture. For a limited duration.Justin108 wrote:So if something is age-during, it means it must have an end?Benoni wrote:It's the way the Greek reads. Age is also time with a beginning and end, where eternity means without beginning or end. How can anything of man be without beginning or end? We all had a beginning so there is no way the word eternal can be correct.Justin108 wrote:What does this mean? In layman's terms, what is the "life of the ages" and an age-lasting correction"?Benoni wrote: We miss so much vital truth by our careless scanning of the Bible, and by clinging tenaciously to the time-worn traditions of the religious systems, mistaking them for the holy truths of God.
It should be clear that if the "eternal life" of Mat. 25:41 is really the "life of the ages", then the "eternal punishment" is likewise an age-lasting correction.
Young's Literal TranslationBenoni wrote: Rotherham's New Testament says, "These shall go away into age-abiding correction."
Young's Literal translation renders, "And these shall go away to punishment age-during."
And these shall go away to punishment age-during, but the righteous to life age-during.'
What does "age-during" mean?
Romans 5:18-20 (Weymouths)
It follows then just as the result of a single transgression is a condemnation which to the whole race, so also is the result of a single degree of righteousness is a life giving acquittal which extends to the whole race. (19) for as thought the disobedience of one individual the mass of mankind were constituted as sinners, so also though the obedience of one, the mass of mankind will be constituted righteous. Now law was brought in later on so that the transgression might increase, but sin increased, grace is overflowed.
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Post #90[Replying to post 88 by Benoni]
The word hell is not even in the original language of the Bible; it is a total mistranslation. The words Sheol, Hades, Tartarus and Gehenna have no root or meaning in the word hell. The word hell came from an Angle Saxon word meaning to bury. You go to the UK today and you can hel your potatoes.
She-ol (eol) [[Heb shaal , to dig]] a place in the depths of the earth conceived of as the dwelling of the dead Note: translated in KJV about haft of scriptures as hell, the other haft as grave
Ha-des(hadez) [[Gr Haides ]] 1 Gr. Myth. a) the home of the dead, beneath the earth b) the god of the underworld 2 Bible the state or resting place of the dead: name used in some modern translations of the New Testament
Yes there is a Tar-ta-rus (tart rs) [[ Gr Tartaros ]] Gr. Myth. 1 an infernal abyss below Hades, where Zeus hurls the rebel Titans, later a place of punishment for the demons and devils not people. (mentioned only once in the Bible)
Those who go to Gehenna are not sinners of the world; but are sinners of Gods people. (how precious is this a type of purification outside of Gods holy city. All things that are not of God will be purified by Gods holy judgment.
Jesus was not speaking to the world/pagan people/sinners; he was speaking to the Jews (believers during His time He walked o n this earth); when ever He used this Greek word Gehenna. The Teutonic pagan word Hell Gehenna is not physical flames, even though Gehenna is the garbage dump outside the city of Jerusalem. Gehenna Judgment is actually spiritual in nature; it is the reaping of what Israel had sown by killing the prophets and their children in the fire to Molech and Baal at Topheth and in the Valley of Ben Hiddom (later called Gehenna). God warned that those who go to Gehenna are not sinners of the world; but are sinners of Gods people. (how precious is this a type of purification outside of Gods holy city. All things that are not of God will be purified by Gods holy judgment. This word is used not for sinner, murders or liars; it is used with the word BROTHER.
Gehenna is not physical flames, even though Gehenna is the garbage dump outside the city of Jerusalem. Gehenna Judgment is actually spiritual in nature, it is the reaping of what Isreal had sown by killing the prophets and their children in the fire to Molech and Baal at Topheth and in the Valley of Ben Hiddom (later called Gehenna). God warned that He is the only God, there is no other like Him.
Matthew 5:22
But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell (Gehenna) fire.
The word hell is not even in the original language of the Bible; it is a total mistranslation. The words Sheol, Hades, Tartarus and Gehenna have no root or meaning in the word hell. The word hell came from an Angle Saxon word meaning to bury. You go to the UK today and you can hel your potatoes.
She-ol (eol) [[Heb shaal , to dig]] a place in the depths of the earth conceived of as the dwelling of the dead Note: translated in KJV about haft of scriptures as hell, the other haft as grave
Ha-des(hadez) [[Gr Haides ]] 1 Gr. Myth. a) the home of the dead, beneath the earth b) the god of the underworld 2 Bible the state or resting place of the dead: name used in some modern translations of the New Testament
Yes there is a Tar-ta-rus (tart rs) [[ Gr Tartaros ]] Gr. Myth. 1 an infernal abyss below Hades, where Zeus hurls the rebel Titans, later a place of punishment for the demons and devils not people. (mentioned only once in the Bible)
Those who go to Gehenna are not sinners of the world; but are sinners of Gods people. (how precious is this a type of purification outside of Gods holy city. All things that are not of God will be purified by Gods holy judgment.
Jesus was not speaking to the world/pagan people/sinners; he was speaking to the Jews (believers during His time He walked o n this earth); when ever He used this Greek word Gehenna. The Teutonic pagan word Hell Gehenna is not physical flames, even though Gehenna is the garbage dump outside the city of Jerusalem. Gehenna Judgment is actually spiritual in nature; it is the reaping of what Israel had sown by killing the prophets and their children in the fire to Molech and Baal at Topheth and in the Valley of Ben Hiddom (later called Gehenna). God warned that those who go to Gehenna are not sinners of the world; but are sinners of Gods people. (how precious is this a type of purification outside of Gods holy city. All things that are not of God will be purified by Gods holy judgment. This word is used not for sinner, murders or liars; it is used with the word BROTHER.
Gehenna is not physical flames, even though Gehenna is the garbage dump outside the city of Jerusalem. Gehenna Judgment is actually spiritual in nature, it is the reaping of what Isreal had sown by killing the prophets and their children in the fire to Molech and Baal at Topheth and in the Valley of Ben Hiddom (later called Gehenna). God warned that He is the only God, there is no other like Him.
Matthew 5:22
But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell (Gehenna) fire.
