What purpose would a system of government have when God is both omnipotent and omniscient? Why would an omnipotent God need to delegate in order to effectively rule? Can you perhaps give a few examples of what these rulers would be tasked to do? What purpose would rulers have in a paradise society? There is no economy to take care of, no resource distribution, no justice system as all members at this point will be free of sin... what is left for the rulers to do?JehovahsWitness wrote:
What purpose would a system of government have in heaven?
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Post #91So when Matthew 25:46 says "And these shall go away to punishment age-during, but the righteous to life age-during", it means that the righteous will not get everlasting life? The righteous will die one day?Benoni wrote:Absolutely.Justin108 wrote:So if something is age-during, it means it must have an end?Benoni wrote:It's the way the Greek reads. Age is also time with a beginning and end, where eternity means without beginning or end. How can anything of man be without beginning or end? We all had a beginning so there is no way the word eternal can be correct.Justin108 wrote:What does this mean? In layman's terms, what is the "life of the ages" and an age-lasting correction"?Benoni wrote: We miss so much vital truth by our careless scanning of the Bible, and by clinging tenaciously to the time-worn traditions of the religious systems, mistaking them for the holy truths of God.
It should be clear that if the "eternal life" of Mat. 25:41 is really the "life of the ages", then the "eternal punishment" is likewise an age-lasting correction.
Young's Literal TranslationBenoni wrote: Rotherham's New Testament says, "These shall go away into age-abiding correction."
Young's Literal translation renders, "And these shall go away to punishment age-during."
And these shall go away to punishment age-during, but the righteous to life age-during.'
What does "age-during" mean?
Re: What purpose would a system of government have in heaven
Post #92[Replying to post 91 by Justin108]
Not at all. And age turns into and age, into and age, into and age, into and age, into and age, into and age, into and age, into and age, etc.
God deals with men in ages not eternities. We all had a beginning so we are not eternal beings.
God is calling a Priesthood/an overcomer so that in the ages to come all will know him.
Do you know what the tent/Tabernacle of David is?
Acts 15: 13-18 (ESV) 16(A) "'After this I will return,and I will rebuild the tent of David that has fallen;I will rebuild its ruins, and I will restore it 17that the remnant of mankind(B) may seek the Lord, and all the Gentiles(C) who are called by my name, says the Lord, who makes these things 18(D) known from of old.'
Not at all. And age turns into and age, into and age, into and age, into and age, into and age, into and age, into and age, into and age, etc.
God deals with men in ages not eternities. We all had a beginning so we are not eternal beings.
God is calling a Priesthood/an overcomer so that in the ages to come all will know him.
Do you know what the tent/Tabernacle of David is?
Acts 15: 13-18 (ESV) 16(A) "'After this I will return,and I will rebuild the tent of David that has fallen;I will rebuild its ruins, and I will restore it 17that the remnant of mankind(B) may seek the Lord, and all the Gentiles(C) who are called by my name, says the Lord, who makes these things 18(D) known from of old.'
Re: What purpose would a system of government have in heaven
Post #93So despite the fact that Matthew 25:4 uses the exact same word regarding life than it did regarding punishment, for some reason the meaning is different? This is the very definition of a double standard.Benoni wrote: [Replying to post 91 by Justin108]
Not at all. And age turns into and age, into and age, into and age, into and age, into and age, into and age, into and age, into and age, etc.
Matthew 25:4 "And these shall go away to punishment age-during, but the righteous to life age-during"
Either age-long means everlasting in both instances, or it means ever lasting in neither instance. Anything else would be an unjustified assumption.
Post #94
I am not at all sure how many ages there have been in the past. There could have been countless ages for aught I know. I do know, however, that ages existed before Adam. There was a great age from Adam to the flood and another great age front the flood to the resurrection of Christ. The age of grace or the church age, of which we are now a part, runs from the resurrection to the setting up of the king- The kingdom age, next in order, will last at least one thousand years. Rev. 20:4. Then follows the age of the ages, or the dispensation of the fullness of times. The term age of the ages identifies this age as the greatest of all the ages. No age, not even the kingdom age, can be compared to it. Just as the Song of Solomon is the song of songs, that is, the greatest of all songs, and as the holy of holies is the holiest of all, so the age of the ages is the greatest age of all the ages, far surpassing even the millennial kingdom in its power and glory, its revelation of God, and its wonderful reconciliation and restitution. Men today use such terms as "the greatest day of my life," "our finest hour," or the "day of days." It is in this same sense that our almighty Father speaks of the dispensation of the fullness of times as the age of the ages
Here are a few examples of scriptures that support ages not age or two ages.
1. Unto the age. Mark 3:29.
2. Unto the ages. Luke 1:33. (plural)
3. Unto all the ages. Jude 25. (plural)
4. Unto the age of the age. Heb. 1:8.
5. Unto all the generations of the age of the ages. Eph. 3:21.
6. Unto the ages of the ages. Rev. 1:6.
7. Unto the day of an age. 2 Pet. 3:18.
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What the big lie is eternal hell and torment. Only time God looses anything is when religious men twist His Word. The blood of Jesus is greater then the sin of Adam.
Acts 15: (HCSB) 17 so that those who are left of mankind may seek the Lord" even all the Gentiles who are called by My name, says the Lord who does these things
Here are a few examples of scriptures that support ages not age or two ages.
1. Unto the age. Mark 3:29.
2. Unto the ages. Luke 1:33. (plural)
3. Unto all the ages. Jude 25. (plural)
4. Unto the age of the age. Heb. 1:8.
5. Unto all the generations of the age of the ages. Eph. 3:21.
6. Unto the ages of the ages. Rev. 1:6.
7. Unto the day of an age. 2 Pet. 3:18.
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What the big lie is eternal hell and torment. Only time God looses anything is when religious men twist His Word. The blood of Jesus is greater then the sin of Adam.
Acts 15: (HCSB) 17 so that those who are left of mankind may seek the Lord" even all the Gentiles who are called by My name, says the Lord who does these things
Post #95
You are answering questions I never asked. Please address my point in post 93Benoni wrote: I am not at all sure how many ages there have been in the past. There could have been countless ages for aught I know. I do know, however, that ages existed before Adam. There was a great age from Adam to the flood and another great age front the flood to the resurrection of Christ. The age of grace or the church age, of which we are now a part, runs from the resurrection to the setting up of the king- The kingdom age, next in order, will last at least one thousand years. Rev. 20:4. Then follows the age of the ages, or the dispensation of the fullness of times. The term age of the ages identifies this age as the greatest of all the ages. No age, not even the kingdom age, can be compared to it. Just as the Song of Solomon is the song of songs, that is, the greatest of all songs, and as the holy of holies is the holiest of all, so the age of the ages is the greatest age of all the ages, far surpassing even the millennial kingdom in its power and glory, its revelation of God, and its wonderful reconciliation and restitution. Men today use such terms as "the greatest day of my life," "our finest hour," or the "day of days." It is in this same sense that our almighty Father speaks of the dispensation of the fullness of times as the age of the ages
Here are a few examples of scriptures that support ages not age or two ages.
1. Unto the age. Mark 3:29.
2. Unto the ages. Luke 1:33. (plural)
3. Unto all the ages. Jude 25. (plural)
4. Unto the age of the age. Heb. 1:8.
5. Unto all the generations of the age of the ages. Eph. 3:21.
6. Unto the ages of the ages. Rev. 1:6.
7. Unto the day of an age. 2 Pet. 3:18.
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What the big lie is eternal hell and torment. Only time God looses anything is when religious men twist His Word. The blood of Jesus is greater then the sin of Adam.
Acts 15: (HCSB) 17 so that those who are left of mankind may seek the Lord" even all the Gentiles who are called by My name, says the Lord who does these things
Re: What purpose would a system of government have in heaven
Post #96I do not see a double standard. Once God deals with the wicked in the spiritual Lake of divine purging all will know him. All flesh shall see the salvation of God.Justin108 wrote:So despite the fact that Matthew 25:4 uses the exact same word regarding life than it did regarding punishment, for some reason the meaning is different? This is the very definition of a double standard.Benoni wrote: [Replying to post 91 by Justin108]
Not at all. And age turns into and age, into and age, into and age, into and age, into and age, into and age, into and age, into and age, etc.
Matthew 25:4 "And these shall go away to punishment age-during, but the righteous to life age-during"
Either age-long means everlasting in both instances, or it means ever lasting in neither instance. Anything else would be an unjustified assumption.
Post #97
[Replying to post 95 by Justin108]
I did. You need to give me a little time I am also working on other projects.
I did. You need to give me a little time I am also working on other projects.
Post #98
Now please address this verse seeing I addressed yours.
Acts 15: 13-18 (ESV) 16(A) "'After this I will return,and I will rebuild the tent of David that has fallen;I will rebuild its ruins, and I will restore it 17that the remnant of mankind(B) may seek the Lord, and all the Gentiles(C) who are called by my name, says the Lord, who makes these things 18(D) known from of old.'
What is the tabernacle of David?
Acts 15: 13-18 (ESV) 16(A) "'After this I will return,and I will rebuild the tent of David that has fallen;I will rebuild its ruins, and I will restore it 17that the remnant of mankind(B) may seek the Lord, and all the Gentiles(C) who are called by my name, says the Lord, who makes these things 18(D) known from of old.'
What is the tabernacle of David?
Re: What purpose would a system of government have in heaven
Post #99Now that you're done preaching, can you explain why the word "age-during" is used for both life and punishment, but for some reason they mean entirely different things?Benoni wrote:I do not see a double standard. Once God deals with the wicked in the spiritual Lake of divine purging all will know him. All flesh shall see the salvation of God.Justin108 wrote:So despite the fact that Matthew 25:4 uses the exact same word regarding life than it did regarding punishment, for some reason the meaning is different? This is the very definition of a double standard.Benoni wrote: [Replying to post 91 by Justin108]
Not at all. And age turns into and age, into and age, into and age, into and age, into and age, into and age, into and age, into and age, etc.
Matthew 25:4 "And these shall go away to punishment age-during, but the righteous to life age-during"
Either age-long means everlasting in both instances, or it means ever lasting in neither instance. Anything else would be an unjustified assumption.
Why do you believe "age-eternal" means everlasting in the case of life?
Why do you believe "age-during" does not mean everlasting in the case of punishment?
What reason is there to assume different meanings for the same word in this instance?
Post #100
I don't knowBenoni wrote: Now please address this verse seeing I addressed yours.
Acts 15: 13-18 (ESV) 16(A) "'After this I will return,and I will rebuild the tent of David that has fallen;I will rebuild its ruins, and I will restore it 17that the remnant of mankind(B) may seek the Lord, and all the Gentiles(C) who are called by my name, says the Lord, who makes these things 18(D) known from of old.'
What is the tabernacle of David?
