Jesus never had "Christ" as his proper name. Did he? Please
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Jesus never had "Christ" as proper name. Did he?
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Re: Jesus never had "Christ" as proper name. Did h
Post #2[Replying to post 1 by paarsurrey1]
Christ isn't a personal name IT'S A TITLE, like Lord, King or Prophet. It basically means "anointed one" (Messiah) and is based on the biblical tradition to pour oil on king's heads as a sign they have been chosen by God to rule. The Hebrew bible spoke of the coming of a great leader, refered to as "The Messiah" (Dan 9:25).
Jesus identified himself as The Christ or The Messiah and others also recognized and verbalized that they believed him to be that one.
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Christ isn't a personal name IT'S A TITLE, like Lord, King or Prophet. It basically means "anointed one" (Messiah) and is based on the biblical tradition to pour oil on king's heads as a sign they have been chosen by God to rule. The Hebrew bible spoke of the coming of a great leader, refered to as "The Messiah" (Dan 9:25).
Jesus identified himself as The Christ or The Messiah and others also recognized and verbalized that they believed him to be that one.
JW
Here is some more information from the JEHOVAH'S WITNESS website on the topic.
LINK
https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1200000966
RELATED POSTS
Various titles attributed to Jesus
http://debatingchristianity.com/forum/v ... 252#864252
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Re: Jesus never had "Christ" as proper name. Did h
Post #3[Replying to post 2 by JehovahsWitness]
So, one agrees that Christ is not the proper name of Jesus. It is a title. Right? Please.
Does one also agree that Jesus like his mother Mary was a Jew? Please
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So, one agrees that Christ is not the proper name of Jesus. It is a title. Right? Please.
Does one also agree that Jesus like his mother Mary was a Jew? Please
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Post #4Understand that you might believe. Believe that you might understand. –Augustine of Hippo
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Re: Jesus never had "Christ" as proper name. Did h
Post #5[Replying to post 3 by paarsurrey1]
If "Christ" was his title then he was as much a "Christian," as a king is a subject. That is to say he was a special kind of Christian as, "even a king is bound by the laws of his country."
No, Jesus DID NOT PRACTICE THE RELIGION JUDAISM.
He wasn't Jewish.
No, he did not follow the dietary guides.
He wasn't Jewish.
He didn't adhere to the Commandments.
He wasn't Jewish.
If HIS FATHER WAS GOD, then any human genealogy practices would take second stage to God's genealogy.
He wasn't Jewish.
He does seem to be You-wish.
If his father was Tiberius Panthera, NOT God, then he may have been Jewish but unholy:
I doubt he would be Jewish.
Please.
If "Christ" was his title then he was as much a "Christian," as a king is a subject. That is to say he was a special kind of Christian as, "even a king is bound by the laws of his country."
No, Jesus DID NOT PRACTICE THE RELIGION JUDAISM.
He wasn't Jewish.
No, he did not follow the dietary guides.
He wasn't Jewish.
He didn't adhere to the Commandments.
He wasn't Jewish.
If HIS FATHER WAS GOD, then any human genealogy practices would take second stage to God's genealogy.
He wasn't Jewish.
He does seem to be You-wish.
If his father was Tiberius Panthera, NOT God, then he may have been Jewish but unholy:
So he could not have been Christ.A bastard shall not enter into the congregation of the LORD; even to his tenth generation shall he not enter into the congregation of the LORD. Deuteronomy 23:2
I doubt he would be Jewish.
Please.
Re: Jesus never had "Christ" as proper name. Did h
Post #6[Replying to Willum]
You make several very strange and over-the-topic claims here, all of which contradict the facts more commonly accepted by scholars and laypeople alike. What evidence do you have to support them?
You make several very strange and over-the-topic claims here, all of which contradict the facts more commonly accepted by scholars and laypeople alike. What evidence do you have to support them?
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Post #7[Replying to post 6 by bjs]
Wow, the power of reading of course.
In order to demonstrate Jesus did not practice Judaism, one need only look at the differences between Judaism and Christianity. There are a multitude, and Christianity is closer to other religions than it is Judaism, so it would be easier to call him a Zoroastrian, by logic and comparison, than Jewish.
Jesus waived the dietary practices:
[Non-Jewish interpretation of Commandments]
I will call anyone an idiot, quite against forum rules, who says that God's genome is subservient to a Jewish genealogy CONVENTION, that has not been consistent over the centuries.
I'll need you to ask me questions about if Jesus' father was human. It all seems obvious to me.
Wow, the power of reading of course.
In order to demonstrate Jesus did not practice Judaism, one need only look at the differences between Judaism and Christianity. There are a multitude, and Christianity is closer to other religions than it is Judaism, so it would be easier to call him a Zoroastrian, by logic and comparison, than Jewish.
Jesus waived the dietary practices:
Ignored commandments:Mark 7:15-19
“There is nothing outside the man which can defile him if it goes into him; but the things which proceed out of the man are what defile the man. [� If anyone has ears to hear, let him hear.�] When he had left the crowd and entered the house, His disciples questioned Him about the parable. And He said to them, “Are you so lacking in understanding also? Do you not understand that whatever goes into the man from outside cannot defile him, because it does not go into his heart, but into his stomach, and is eliminated?� (Thus He declared all foods clean.)
[Non-Jewish interpretation of Commandments]
I will call anyone an idiot, quite against forum rules, who says that God's genome is subservient to a Jewish genealogy CONVENTION, that has not been consistent over the centuries.
I'll need you to ask me questions about if Jesus' father was human. It all seems obvious to me.
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Post #8Jesus did teach that it was how one lived, not what one ate, that made a person “clean� or “unclean.� Years after his death, his first disciples did abandon the dietary restriction of Judaism.Willum wrote: [Replying to post 6 by bjs]
Wow, the power of reading of course.
In order to demonstrate Jesus did not practice Judaism, one need only look at the differences between Judaism and Christianity. There are a multitude, and Christianity is closer to other religions than it is Judaism, so it would be easier to call him a Zoroastrian, by logic and comparison, than Jewish.
Jesus waived the dietary practices:
Mark 7:15-19
“There is nothing outside the man which can defile him if it goes into him; but the things which proceed out of the man are what defile the man. [� If anyone has ears to hear, let him hear.�] When he had left the crowd and entered the house, His disciples questioned Him about the parable. And He said to them, “Are you so lacking in understanding also? Do you not understand that whatever goes into the man from outside cannot defile him, because it does not go into his heart, but into his stomach, and is eliminated?� (Thus He declared all foods clean.)
You have not yet given any evidence that Jesus did not keep the dietary restrictions himself.
Given the nature of his teachings and his position as a rabbi, had he not kept those restriction it certainly would have been a noteworthy event. Is there a mention of it?
A person’s parents did not have to be Jewish for that person to be Jewish. The command Deuteronomy would prevent someone of illegitimate birth from taking part in the assembly at the Tabernacle (when it existed). It would not prevent someone from being Jewish.Willum wrote: Ignored commandments:
[Non-Jewish interpretation of Commandments]
I will call anyone an idiot, quite against forum rules, who says that God's genome is subservient to a Jewish genealogy CONVENTION, that has not been consistent over the centuries.
I'll need you to ask me questions about if Jesus' father was human. It all seems obvious to me.
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Re: Jesus never had "Christ" as proper name. Did h
Post #9For yet another time, He is not talking about anything one can put into one's mouth, i.e. rocks, sulfuric acid, dog poo. He is talking about eating FOOD without following a rabbinic hand washing. Food is that which is acceptable to eat as determined by a given culture. Therefore, the cultural rules of the culture are implied when one uses the term "food". The hnd washing is not in HaTorah, but is a rabbinic rule, which many Jews do not follow. So, He was not violating a commandment by saying the eating food with unwashed hands does not make the food unclean.Willum wrote: [Replying to post 6 by bjs]
Wow, the power of reading of course.
In order to demonstrate Jesus did not practice Judaism, one need only look at the differences between Judaism and Christianity. There are a multitude, and Christianity is closer to other religions than it is Judaism, so it would be easier to call him a Zoroastrian, by logic and comparison, than Jewish.
Jesus waived the dietary practices:
Mark 7:15-19
“There is nothing outside the man which can defile him if it goes into him; but the things which proceed out of the man are what defile the man. [� If anyone has ears to hear, let him hear.�] When he had left the crowd and entered the house, His disciples questioned Him about the parable. And He said to them, “Are you so lacking in understanding also? Do you not understand that whatever goes into the man from outside cannot defile him, because it does not go into his heart, but into his stomach, and is eliminated?� (Thus He declared all foods clean.)
Re: Jesus never had "Christ" as proper name. Did h
Post #10We are told that the Son of Man has nowhere to lie down or some such thing. He is also nameless. It is amazing that such an important historical figure bears only the titles:paarsurrey1 wrote: Jesus never had "Christ" as his proper name. Did he? Please
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"Saviour" -Jesus and "Anointed" - Christ
Who was he? We have no idea. He suddenly appeared when he was thirty and stayed on Earth for three more years, bearing the title: King of the Jews, which he wasn't.