If there was life elsewhere...

[SaulToPaul]

Then the Sovereignty of Jehovah should not be an issue... But it is.

If life existed elsewhere, then Jehovah would have no point to prove. His sovereignty would already have been vindicated, and there would be no need to keep up with allowing suffering to continue. He could simply destroy the rebels, and move on.

Adam and Eve and Satan all rebelled at the same time. He could have simply destroyed them and started fresh, but it's not like there was only those 3 involved. There were hundreds of millions of angels paying attention to how Jehovah handled this situation. If Jehovah would have destroyed Satan, Adam and Eve, then no point would have been proven. Jehovah would have just been a tyrant. Instead, he allowed all to partake in this scenario that has been underway for over 6,000 years. He has given us every opportunity to rule ourselves to show that we can not rule ourselves. Have we done a good job? He has allowed Satan chance after chance to attempt to do what only Jehovah can do, which is, create peace and serenity. Paradise. Has he been able to?

Do you know that Satan won the first round? When Jehovah allowed Satan to live, Satan and his demons (simply bad angels) had fun, instead of doing what Jehovah allowed Satan to do (create peace). The world was so bad in round one, that Jehovah had to flood the world to remove the wicked. And unfortunately, Satan had to be given another chance. This time though, he and his demons were confined to heaven, able to travel only in spirit form. No more physical form. No more mating with human women.

So, in round two (the current round), Satan still has dominion over the world, but there are clearly defined rules. Jehovah has known that Satan is going to fail. There are so many prophecies about it. But that has not stopped Satan from trying. Nor mankind.

After it's all said and done, after the resurrection, when Satan is destroyed, and all of the wicked are once again destroyed, once and for all, then the earth will be returned to it's paradise state, as was originally intended. At that point, if an angel were to stand up and do what Satan did, or an human were to stand up and do what Adam and Eve did, saying "I or we think we can do Jehovah's job better than Him", then Jehovah would have no cause to let the new rebels live. The point has been proven. All of intelligent creation will be able to stand up in union, and say with a loud voice "NO YOU CAN'T!", and peace and security can reign for eternity. History will have been written. He gave us and Satan ample opportunity to create peace. He and we have failed.

When you start to look at things like this, everything starts to make sense. It's logical.

All life has free will. Only humans and angels truly understand what that means. There is no such thing as "it was God's will". The only "will" he has, is that all come to repentance and come back to him as willing slaves. But, that is still the problem. No one wants to give up their life to do Jehovah's will.

Give it up. You are fighting a losing battle. Here is something very important: Everyone who dies before the resurrection will be given a second chance at the resurrection. But those who do not make the correct choice and die at Armageddon, they die for eternity. That time will probably happen very shortly. Fortunately for you, you won't go to Hell, because it doesn't exist. Romans 6:23 "the wages of sin is death", not "the wages of sin is Hell". When you die, you. Are. Dead. Period. No soul. You ARE the soul, as referred to in the Bible. One other scripture to prove that you don't go to Hell; Jeremiah 7:31 "They have built the high places of To'pheth, which is in the Valley of the Son of Hin'nom, in order to burn their sons and their daughters in the fire, something that I had not commanded and that had never even come into my heart." These are Jehovah's words.

These are things that the Word says. If you want to know a lot more logical reasoning, I would love to teach you what is known to Jehovah's Witnesses as "The Truth".

God is love. He is only allowing things to happen because he has to. If he intervenes, then the point won't be proven. Come to him while you can. There are almost 9 million of us, and we are most definitely not a cult, lol. Type "define: cult" into Google. We worship Jehovah, not a man, and we are not sinister. We are true Christians. Do you know what the word Christian means? "Christ-like". If you claim Christianity, then you are REQUIRED to walk as that one did. To the very best of your ability.

I hope to hear from you. I can answer your questions, and if I can't, I can get the answer. The Holy Spirit is amazing.

Best regards,

-Paul

[brianbbs67]

[Replying to post 20 by ttruscott]

The first parable explains why evil is allowed to exist in this world. The good seed would be pulled up with the bad .

The thought of the fall comes on the second day of creation. Remember the jots and titles? The words, "heavenly host" are diminished in the Hebrew. Meaning simply made smaller. In other words, a revolt. As, Michael repelled the sublime Seraphine. Mi Ka El, like unto God. As that is what the sublime Seraphine said she would be. Michael, a lower Angel(which means messenger, whether human or divine), spoke up and said "Who says they are like unto God?" And the melee started. God renamed him, michael. Mi=like. ka=unto. El=generic Hebrew for God.

So, if we are to be like angels(messengers), Our name will be Mi Ka Malak.

[For_The_Kingdom]

First question. Is Jesus the archangel, Michael?

Nope. Despite what false religions like Jehovah's Witnesses teach.

[imhereforyou]

Then the Sovereignty of Jehovah should not be an issue... But it is.

If life existed elsewhere, then Jehovah would have no point to prove. His sovereignty would already have been vindicated, and there would be no need to keep up with allowing suffering to continue. He could simply destroy the rebels, and move on.

So you believe in a God who is out to prove something to someone? A God who needs to have his sovereignty vindicated?

Sounds like a pretty pathetic God to me.

I've always considered the biblical god quite pathetic. Why would something so grand and great need to feel vindicated? Why would he want or need or love and affection? How would he allow such small things like people to thwart his Eden?
It all sounds like something written by people to explain the unexplainable. Which is fine as long as it's understood like that. Unfortunately, people don't seem to work that way.

[brianbbs67]

First question. Is Jesus the archangel, Michael?

Nope. Despite what false religions like Jehovah's Witnesses teach.

They are wrong in this(Michael =Yeshua‚). But, they are right about a lot and could gain more if they looked beyond their bible. First flag there. Make a faith, Make a bible and say it is all true. The Bible as delivered to us, is very undocumented as first hand accounts. So, to draw conclusions from that is fallacy.

[2timothy316]

But, they are right about a lot and could gain more if they looked beyond their bible.

So here's a question that I have never heard a good answer for: When it comes to explaining God, Jesus, angels, mankind's relation to them, Earth and Heaven what is better than the Bible?

[brianbbs67]

But, they are right about a lot and could gain more if they looked beyond their bible.

So here's a question that I have never heard a good answer for: When it comes to explaining God, Jesus, angels, mankind's relation to them, Earth and Heaven what is better than the Bible?

Direct response from God or His messengers. Withholding that, the bible and other non-canonized texts.(Apocalypse of Peter, Sheperd of Hermas, and others.)

There is no clear answer, as no one knows the path to God, for sure. I believe , it is the seeking that matters, most. We have to rightly divide the Word. Its a puzzle, seeking an answer we could supply.

[tam]

But, they are right about a lot and could gain more if they looked beyond their bible.

So here's a question that I have never heard a good answer for: When it comes to explaining God, Jesus, angels, mankind's relation to them, Earth and Heaven what is better than the Bible?

Christ. Always. He is the Truth and the Word of God. The LIVING Truth and LIVING Word of God.


Peace to you and to your loved ones,
your servant and a slave of Christ,
tammy

[2timothy316]

But, they are right about a lot and could gain more if they looked beyond their bible.

So here's a question that I have never heard a good answer for: When it comes to explaining God, Jesus, angels, mankind's relation to them, Earth and Heaven what is better than the Bible?

Direct response from God or His messengers.

Christ. Always. He is the Truth and the Word of God. The LIVING Truth and LIVING Word of God.

Interesting. A man once told me that he heard God's spirit talking to him while he was high on weed. Is this what you mean? Is everyone that claims to hear God actually hearing God? When a man claims he speaks to God and then puts on a suicide vest and blows up people, is God really speaking to him?

I reject your answer based on the fact if everyone's claims where true and they actually spoke to God they'd all believe the same thing. Brian you and Tammy should believe and teach the same things, but you don't. I can only conclude that who ever you both listening to is not the Almighty.

To claim that truth is subjective is absurd. Truth is objective and fact. It doesn't change with the shifting sands.

[tam]

Peace to you timothy. I am going to respond for myself. Brian can do so for himself if he wishes. Though I find it strange that you (or anyone who believes in God and in Christ) could think the Bible is better than Christ for revealing, explaining, leading into all truth. Even the apostles could not understand all that was written without Him.

But, they are right about a lot and could gain more if they looked beyond their bible.

So here's a question that I have never heard a good answer for: When it comes to explaining God, Jesus, angels, mankind's relation to them, Earth and Heaven what is better than the Bible?

Direct response from God or His messengers.

Christ. Always. He is the Truth and the Word of God. The LIVING Truth and LIVING Word of God.

Interesting. A man once told me that he heard God's spirit talking to him while he was high on weed. Is this what you mean?

You know it isn't.

And I said Christ, not God.

Christ is the Word of God.

God communicates to us by means of His Son, His Word.

Is everyone that claims to hear God actually hearing God?

No. Nor is everyone who claims to hear Christ (though not that many people actually make this claim), actually hearing Christ.

Hence we were told to test the inspired expressions.

When a man claims he speaks to God and then puts on a suicide vest and blows up people, is God really speaking to him?

A - it is Christ who speaks, so no.

B - Testing that inspired expression... is that what love would do? Kill oneself and others? Is that what Christ taught (and continues to teach) by His word and example?

No?

Then no, that man did not hear this from God. Though it is unlikely he believes he did hear it from God, since it is a religion and men who are pushing that ideology. They are basing this ideology off their religious leaders teachings' and interpretation of the Quran. (though even I can see that the Quran does not sanction such a thing)

Were that man listening to Christ (or to God for that matter), that man could not willingly do this.

I reject your answer based on the fact if everyone's claims where true and they actually spoke to God they'd all believe the same thing. Brian you and Tammy should believe and teach the same things, but you don't. I can only conclude that who ever you both listening to is not the Almighty.

Timothy, TONS of people and denominations claim to be listening to and following the bible. Yet they are divided. They do not believe the same things; they do not teach the same things. Do you conclude then that the bible is not from God? Do you dismiss the bible because so many see/understand so many different things about it?


Your religion and the RCC both claim to be the true religion, to be God's visible organization on earth. Yet you teach conflicting things. By your logic, all religion must then be dismissed (including your own). Do you do this? If not, you are not subjecting your beliefs to the same standard that you are subjecting me (and my faith).

To claim that truth is subjective is absurd. Truth is objective and fact. It doesn't change with the shifting sands.

Who claimed otherwise?

JW's and evangelicals teach different things, and yet you both claim your beliefs are based upon the bible. Does that mean truth is subjective, changing with the shifting sands?


Peace again to you,
your servant and a slave of Christ,
tammy

[2timothy316]

Though I find it strange that you (or anyone who believes in God and in Christ) could think the Bible is better than Christ for revealing, explaining, leading into all truth.

Funny, Jesus quoted the Bible often and even read from it. When tempted by Satan did Jesus use his own words? No. For example in Luke 4:4 Jesus answered, "It is written". What was he quoting from?

Though I find it strange that you (or anyone who believes in God and in Christ) could think what Jesus used to quote from as inferior. If the Bible was good enough for Jesus why is not good enough for us?

At any rate your answer is unsatisfactory seeing as who are you to say that the man that smokes weed isn't talking to God. How do you know? That is quite presumptuous of you.

As far as people getting different meanings from the Bible that is a personal interpretation issue and not the Bible's fault. People interpret based on their own wants. Yet the Bible says the same thing day in and day out. The words don't change. What I see is that what you are being told is different from what Brian and the man smoking weed is being told. The words DO change for you folks. The man that smokes weed told me that he gets more spiritual direction form smoking weed than from the Bible. He says that the spirit says is the reason that the black population was because of Jesus' name. What is he hearing that you are not and visa versa? How can you tell what he is hearing is wrong and what you hear is right? In other words what gives you or anyone the right to say who is listening to this spiritual advice you all speak of the right thing and who is hearing the wrong thing? You can't use the Bible to tell me either because according to you it's inferior. So what will you do now to prove to me what the man that smokes weed hears from the spirit is inferior to what you hear?

What is your touchstone? What do you hold what you hear up to in order to see if it pure. What should the man that smokes weed hold what he hears up to in order to see if it is pure?
http://biblehub.com/greek/931.htm