Who do you cheer for?

Wootah · Post by **Wootah** » Wed Apr 04, 2018 5:44 pm

The athlete or the coach or the judge?

Can any creature really score a perfect 10?

Well even I am going to pause to consider that metaphor for the trinity.

JehovahsWitness · Post by **JehovahsWitness** » Thu Apr 12, 2018 12:51 am

Wootah wrote:
JehovahsWitness wrote: [Replying to post 48 by Wootah]

What's hard here is getting you to admit the obvious, that a judge has authority to implement the law over the athlete; that when you or anyone stands before a judge you are not equal in power to implement the law. That it is the JUDGE who according to the law has the power to have you punished if you do not obey the law and if you have obeyed the law, free you from the threat of accusation or punishment and, (as in the case of sport for example) reward you with honor or medals according to The Judge's assessment of your actions.
So can we agree with the above?
Assessment seems a bit poorly worded. The judge does nor assess they apply the law.

Did I say the judge assess the law or actions?

Wootah · Post by **Wootah** » Thu Apr 12, 2018 3:48 am

[Replying to post 51 by JehovahsWitness]

Well he has to assess your actions according to the law.

I still don't see a larger point from you.

The thing is the coach and player and judge have to know the law and ideally it would be equally.

JehovahsWitness · Post by **JehovahsWitness** » Thu Apr 12, 2018 9:29 am

[Replying to post 52 by Wootah]

That if the Father is the Judge
And the son is the Athlete

They are not equal according to law , because while the judge (according to law) can (according to law) judge the athlete (according to law); can the athlete (according to law) judge the judge (according to law)?

Wootah wrote:a judge is authorised to apply the rules.

Wootah wrote:a judge has authority to implement the law.

Wootah wrote: ... according to the law

Wootah wrote:they apply the law.

Wootah wrote:If you obey the law...

Oh and by the way, who, according to scripture makes the law?

ISAIAH 33:22

Darby Bible Translation
For Jehovah is our judge, Jehovah, our lawgiver, Jehovah, our king.

World English Bible
For Yahweh is our judge. Yahweh is our lawgiver. Yahweh is our king.

Young's Literal Translation
For Jehovah our judge, Jehovah our lawgiver, Jehovah our king

Wootah · Post by **Wootah** » Thu Apr 12, 2018 5:15 pm

[Replying to post 53 by JehovahsWitness]

How can a coach coach, unless they know the rules of the game?

How can an athlete compete, unless they know the rules of the game?

How can a judge judge, unless they know the rules of the game?

What can a judge do to an athlete that obeys the rules?

Maybe I don't understand you. Can you give a concrete example of what you mean?

JehovahsWitness · Post by **JehovahsWitness** » Fri Apr 13, 2018 4:35 am

[Replying to post 54 by Wootah]

Wootah wrote:What can a judge do to an athlete that obeys the rules?

http://debatingchristianity.com/forum/v ... 566#913566

Wootah wrote:a judge is authorised to apply the rules.

Wootah wrote:a judge has authority to implement the law.

Wootah wrote: ... according to the law

Wootah wrote:they apply the law.

Wootah wrote:If you obey the law...

And your point is?

JehovahsWitness · Post by **JehovahsWitness** » Fri Apr 13, 2018 4:37 am

Wootah wrote: Maybe I don't understand you.

What exactly in the paragraph below are you finding hard to understand?

JehovahsWitness wrote:A judge has authority to implement the law over the athlete; that when you or anyone stands before a judge you are not equal in power to implement the law. That it is the JUDGE who according to the law has the power to have you punished if you do not obey the law and if you have obeyed the law, free you from the threat of accusation or punishment and, (as in the case of sport for example) reward you with honor or medals according to The Judge's assessment of your actions.

JehovahsWitness · Post by **JehovahsWitness** » Fri Apr 13, 2018 5:11 am

Wootah wrote:Can you give a concrete example of what you mean?

Sure ...

Wootah wrote:What can a judge do to an athlete that obeys the rules?

See above.