Sermon on the mount

[Wootah]

What was the point of this sermon?

[Elijah John]

What was the point of this sermon?

Wootah, what do you think is the point of the Sermon on the Mount? You're not saying it's pointless in light of Christ's "atoning sacrifice" are you?

[JehovahsWitness]

Wouldn't it be more accurate to say that Jesus was outlining the principles of Jewish living as he saw it, or Godly living?

No I don't think so because that would in my opinion imply that it wouldn't be applicable to Christians.

Only if Christians consider themselves exempt from the commandments of Adonai.

And which Adonai are you refering to?

[Wootah]

What was the point of this sermon?

Wootah, what do you think is the point of the Sermon on the Mount? You're not saying it's pointless in light of Christ's "atoning sacrifice" are you?

Dio9 is saying what i would say so far. It's God teaching us.

My way of saying it is that Moses got the law but Jesus explained it.

Jesus is saying you thought you were not committing murder but in reality when you hate your brother you committed murder.

It's why from that view we all fail the very good law.

[Elijah John]

What was the point of this sermon?

Wootah, what do you think is the point of the Sermon on the Mount? You're not saying it's pointless in light of Christ's "atoning sacrifice" are you?

Dio9 is saying what i would say so far. It's God teaching us.

My way of saying it is that Moses got the law but Jesus explained it.

Jesus is saying you thought you were not committing murder but in reality when you hate your brother you committed murder.

It's why from that view we all fail the very good law.

Thanks, I do see how those sayings could be interpreted that way. But another possibility, another interpretation is that instead of "raising the bar", could it be that Jesus was calling people to a deeper understanding and practice of the Law?

To call believers to embrace the Spirit of the Law?

Or as Jews might say, "putting a fence around the Torah". For instance, "avoid lust, and you will never commit adultery, avoid anger, and you will never commit murder".

Rabbinic Judaism has put such a fence around the Commandment not to use God's name in vain, by prohibiting the pronounciation of the Divine name completely. I think their reasoning goes, "if one never says the name of God, one will never blaspheme the name of God."

A bit of overcaution, by my reckoning. It is one of the reasons I am not a Jew. Original Biblical intent and usage seems to have been to use the Name reverently not to use substitutes (Adonai, LORD, HaShem, etc) or to put it off limits completely.

The Name of God is a gift. It is a link and an amazing focus for prayer. It's a shame that the Rabbis put the Name off limits.

It's good that Jehovah's Witnesses honor the Name, and also to see more and more Evangelicals rediscover the Name of the Father.

[bluethread]

Only if Christians consider themselves exempt from the commandments of Adonai.

And which Adonai are you refering to?

The Adonai of Avraham, Yitzchak and Yocav, and also of Yeshua, who gave the sermon on the mount.

[JehovahsWitness]

Only if Christians consider themselves exempt from the commandments of Adonai.

And which Adonai are you refering to?

The Adonai of Avraham, Yitzchak and Yocav, and also of Yeshua, who gave the sermon on the mount.

Does that Adonai have a name?

JEHOVAHS WITNESS

World English Bible
Go, and gather the elders of Israel together, and tell them, 'Yahweh, the God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, of Isaac, and of Jacob, has appeared to me, saying, "I have surely visited you, and seen that which is done to you in Egypt;

Young's Literal Translation
'Go, and thou hast gathered the elders of Israel, and hast said unto them: Jehovah, God of your fathers, hath appeareth unto me, God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, saying, I have certainly inspected you, and that which is done to you in Egypt;

[Monta]

[Replying to post 20 by Monta]

I made a more in depth post here. viewtopic.php?p=913894#913894

Thanks, I don't have time for more in depth just the basics.

[2timothy316]

[Replying to post 20 by Monta]

I made a more in depth post here. viewtopic.php?p=913894#913894

Thanks, I don't have time for more in depth just the basics.

Sorry I misunderstood you. I though wanted a more in-depth explanation because you said,

I am still struggling to understand you.

I thought you wanted a clearer explanation, so I pointed you to one. My bad.

[onewithhim]

[Replying to post 20 by Monta]

I made a more in depth post here. viewtopic.php?p=913894#913894

Thanks, I don't have time for more in depth just the basics.

To understand "basics," don't we need to go into more depth?

[brianbbs67]

Only if Christians consider themselves exempt from the commandments of Adonai.

And which Adonai are you refering to?

The Adonai of Avraham, Yitzchak and Yocav, and also of Yeshua, who gave the sermon on the mount.

Yes, and whose proper name is still hidden. Correct?