Did the Loving Jesus Flood Our Planet ...?

[StuartJ]

Our friends at Answers in Genesis put the genocidal global flood from the God of Love at 2348 BC(E) https://answersingenesis.org/the-flood/

Right about the beginning of the Egyptian Sixth Dynasty (so we know where we are).

The somewhat contradictory Flood myths involve both the Elohim and Yahweh - together believed as "God" by faith communities.

"God" for most - but certainly not all - Christians is the combo of Yahweh/Jesus/Holy Ghost.

Much is made of the love of Jesus - and while many Christians make much of him being involved in the two quite contradictory creation myths ...

I cannot think of one Christian who credits Jesus with drowning the little children of the world ....

Was Jesus involved in this global genocide ...?

[StuartJ]

[Replying to post 20 by rikuoamero]

IMHO, it's the brainwashing of "faith" that causes even the most capable of minds to accept this as "justice".

[StuartJ]

It's significant to note that the faith community welcomes broad discussion of Jesus as part of the creation myths, but their silence is deafening with regard to the genocidal flood myths.

Yet they have been very noisy about his genocidal Second Coming ...?

[Wootah]

It's significant to note that the faith community welcomes broad discussion of Jesus as part of the creation myths, but their silence is deafening with regard to the genocidal flood myths.

Yet they have been very noisy about his genocidal Second Coming ...?

Are you trolling your own threads? You're making an uncivil, blanket statement that is also random rambling.

[Tcg]

[Replying to post 20 by rikuoamero]

IMHO, it's the brainwashing of "faith" that causes even the most capable of minds to accept this as "justice".

Yes, that and the fact the faithful are convinced they are on the winning side.

As long as the justice is going to be exercised against the "other", there isn't much motivation to be concerned.

It's the other's fault of course, for some reason or another.

[brunumb]

[Replying to post 1 by StuartJ]

Was Jesus involved in this global genocide ...?

There are a couple of reasons why the answer to that should be no.

Firstly, the great biblical flood never happened. The scientific evidence firmly establishes that not only did it not occur but that it could not have occurred. We have known this for well over a century now.

Secondly, fictional characters only commit genocide in fictional stories. The biblical character known as Jesus is more than likely a composite based on numerous itinerant preachers of the time. The parallels between his story and that of the famous Robin Hood* are striking. Both were embellished over time until the original sources of their stories became somewhat obscure.

* http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/british/mi ... n_01.shtml

[brunumb]

[Replying to post 24 by Tcg]

As long as the justice is going to be exercised against the "other", there isn't much motivation to be concerned.

No doubt the billions that will be exterminated at the second coming all deserve it. To add insult to injury, not only do they get slaughtered here on earth, they then get summarily despatched to suffer for eternity in hell. All that because some ancient ancestor was disobedient and infected everyone with sinfulness. Apparently you can avoid such an horrific destiny by somehow believing the unbelievable, praising Jesus and handing over your monthly tithe to the correct Christian denomination.

[rikuoamero]

It's significant to note that the faith community welcomes broad discussion of Jesus as part of the creation myths, but their silence is deafening with regard to the genocidal flood myths.

Yet they have been very noisy about his genocidal Second Coming ...?

Not only this, but the two phrases that I put up that no Christian (at least on this site) has agreed to

I, [Insert Name], would try to prevent the torture and execution of an innocent man.
I, [Insert Name], would not accept the benefits (if any) that comes with the torture and execution of an innocent man unless I was willing to perform the torture and execution myself.

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[ttruscott]

Didn't Jesus die to "pay for" the sins of those killed in the flood as well? I thought the crucifixion was the solution for sin, but maybe the flood PLUS crucifixion?

I and most of Christianity do not accept this. If anyone is in hell, it is because they cannot come under HIS salvation not because HE did not choose them to be saved from the consequences of their sinful choices (Calvinism) or because they could be saved but rejected that salvation (Arminianism).

I believe that some people rejected YHWH's claims to be our creator GOD to be the claims of a false god driven by evil impulse, that is, the sin that is unforgivable so they are outside of any of HIS plans or promises of salvation for their sins (ie, not elected).

His death covers only the sins of those who put their faith in Him as our Saviour when they accepted YHWH as their GOD. Jn 3:18 implies that some sinners are not condemned because they have faith (already) and other sinners are condemned already for their unfaith.

Judgement for sin is a mainstay of all Christian sects. Denigrating the meaning of His death because some are judged instead is a straw dog argument, all bark and no bite.

[ttruscott]

No might makes right. No ownership issues... JUST A RIGHTEOUS JUDGEMENT OF EVIL. These deaths were an execution of evil, probably psychopathic, demons who were condemned for their evil by a righteous Judge who understood perfectly their evil and the absolute necessity of their deaths.

Can you be specific concerning what it was these people did that warranted all of them being executed? Probably is not really adequate where the outcome involves genocide.

Only the sinful suffer and die.
Only the sinful are born on earth.
No innocent suffers and dies.

In the spirit world pre-earth all sin is without physical expression which is only found later when the sinners are sown into this world, Matt 13:36-39.

There were two major types of sin pre-earth in the society of people as spirits:

Sins of the eternal evil:
1. a full rejection of YHWH as GOD due to believing (putting their faith in) the idea HE was a false god and a liar motivated by evil impulses which is the unforgivable sin and

Sins of the elect:
2. The sins of those who accepted YHWH as their GOD who also put their faith in HIS Son to be their saviour if they should ever sin, a choice which got them elected to heaven to be HIS bride, the purpose of our creation also had two types:

(1) Some sinned by a rebellion to GOD's command to come out from among the eternally evil sinners so they could be judged. Putting their love and friendship for them above GOD's contention that the judgement was an absolute necessity, they idolatrously decided to side with the reprobate and forced the postponement of the judgement, Matt 13: “The servants asked him, ‘Do you want us to go and pull them up?’ 29 “ ‘No,’ he answered, ‘because while you are pulling the weeds (the judgement), you may uproot (damn) the (sinful) wheat with them. 30 Let both grow together... These sinners are typified by Eve who accepted the serpent as a mentor or pastor.

(2) Other elect sinned by rejecting GOD's command to come out from among their friends who were elect but who had just become evil in GOD's sight by refusing to allow the judgment of the reprobate. Not trusting YHWH with their loved ones, these elect followed their friends into sin in idolatrous solidarity with them. Adam is the type for this kind of sinner, rejecting the serpent but following Eve.

To cover you question about the probability of psychopathy in these sinners, I follow the adage that a "little leaven, sin, leavens, corrupts, the whole lump, person", Galatians 5:9, which implies that the sinfulness of sinners on earth tends to slowly grow until their sin is perfected in them and they enter into full psychopathy as a natural consequence of having chosen to be sinful in GOD's sight. Leaving aside for the moment that some of these sinners must have been elect sinners held back from becoming fully psychopathic, not everyone may have reached the full sinfulness they were going to become but most likely a lot of them were indeed psychopathic.

[William]

[Replying to post 17 by Wootah]

11 Now the earth was corrupt in God’s sight and was full of violence. 12 God saw how corrupt the earth had become, for all the people on earth had corrupted their ways. 13 So God said to Noah, “I am going to put an end to all people, for the earth is filled with violence because of them. I am surely going to destroy both them and the earth.

[Replying to post 24 by Tcg]

Yes, that and the fact the faithful are convinced they are on the winning side.

As long as the justice is going to be exercised against the "other", there isn't much motivation to be concerned.

It's the other's fault of course, for some reason or another.

This reminds me of Nazi Germany and the push by biological scientists to create the perfect human over a thousand years by breeding out the imperfections of human traits recognized as counter-productive.

In that, we have an idea of a Creator-GOD whom is in the process of using the process of biological evolution in order to create through said process 'the perfect human' and in the myth of Noah this amounted to one individual among the multitude who was 'up to standard' or at least showed promise.

Obviously the myth of saving of Noah did not substantially change anything in the real world.

Such requires a more hands on approach to which the scientist are still faithfully pursuing with the idea of eradicating all human flaws. Although perhaps creating AI is understood as the better option which might return the best results.

Point being, this idea is not restricted to religious thinking. It seems to be a strong human trait, perhaps base upon the belief in something called 'perfect' coupled with a situation not seen as particularly ideal, let alone perfect.

The eye of the beholder is a widely varied and the evidence suggests that regardless of the social vehicle being used for the purpose, the push will continue in the direction it has been focused upon with little in the way of real opposition.