Bible vs History

[Willum]

Noah was supposed to live around 4000 years ago, and his flood.

Which means that the entire population of the globe should have begun repopulating about then.
Why is there no evidence of this?

I mean we have great historic not only evidence, but histories of peoples living before, during and after the flood. Even the Americas.

And though dramatic, this is true of other Biblical events. We have the Sumerians positively ignoring Biblical events as if they didn't occur. The Egyptians not seeming to notice plagues and genocide and so on.

One could go through and notice all manner of things that didn't happen from the Bible, Sodom and Gomorrah, and so on. We can even get good dates for when these things were supposed to occur, by how long people lived for these occurrences.

We can also note that these stories did occur in other people's fairy tales.

How do we rectify these three elements - no one noticed these epic events, the dates they failed to occur and they are other people's fairy tales, together with the truth?

[1213]

I suppose it is too difficult to answer the question by citing any kind of fact or inference.
It is too difficult - all facts demonstrate your religion is a myth.

You really should give it up.

So that atheist could freely spread lies and deceive people? I think that is not good idea, I care too much of other people.

[Willum]

I suppose it is too difficult to answer the question by citing any kind of fact or inference.
It is too difficult - all facts demonstrate your religion is a myth.

You really should give it up.

So that atheist could freely spread lies and deceive people? I think that is not good idea, I care too much of other people.

I am not asking you to do that, but if you could stop spreading the lies of what you can see is a myth, that'd be just great.

[Goat]

I'm finding the evidence from Chinese characters interesting.

https://creation.com/cmi-misrepresents- ... e-language

Check out the character for vessel.

And, you know one of the interesting things about the Chinese civilization.

They had a robust civilization during the time the flood was supposed to have happened, and it was not interrupted by a flood. (Neoltihic Dynasty)

Another civilization that had uninterrupted history during that time frame are the Egyptians (dynasties 4,5, and 6)

Can we also point out the Mesopotamian, the Sumerians and the Peruvians (must let the Americas out of the equation)

[1213]

And, you know one of the interesting things about the Chinese civilization.

They had a robust civilization during the time the flood was supposed to have happened, and it was not interrupted by a flood. (Neoltihic Dynasty)

Another civilization that had uninterrupted history during that time frame are the Egyptians (dynasties 4,5, and 6)

But how to know that is correct information and not just baseless belief? Do we even know the exact date for the flood?

[StuartJ]

[Replying to post 44 by 1213]

Do we even know the exact date for the flood?

Two thousand three hundred and forty-eight years before Jesus burst through the hymen of the Blessed Virgin Mary.

At just about the beginning of the Sixth Egyptian Dynasty.

I am always amazed by just how little most Christians know about what they INSIST is true.

The biblical "Flood" is make-believe.

Like many things in Christianity.

https://answersingenesis.org/the-flood/

For me, Google is far more useful than Bible class ever was.

[1213]

Two thousand three hundred and forty-eight years before Jesus burst through the hymen of the Blessed Virgin Mary.

At just about the beginning of the Sixth Egyptian Dynasty.

That calculation may be wrong. And then there is also the possibility that the dating of other ancient nations is also wrong. You have really nothing to prove the dates are right, so the whole point kind of collapses on its own, if one doesnt blindly believe it as many gullible people does.

[Willum]

[Replying to post 46 by 1213]

So the (in)ability to calculate a mythical event, is your defence that a mythical might have occurred? and that the document that allows you to calculate that event - the one that proclaims the event, can't be relied upon?

If he can't demonstrate the dates are right, using the book it came out of, how will it be demonstrated?
Oh, I know, your belief usurps anything a Bible has to say!

[BeHereNow]

[Replying to post 1 by Willum]

Accounts of a "global" flood are cross cultural. The historical evidence for such an event is as strong as any event for that time period.

The better argument is that Noah and the flood account are not unique. That can be given merit, properly presented. The argument that it never happened, fails.

The time period for such an event borders on the prehistoric. Oral traditions in that time period had better credibility than the internet, newspapers, and other media for the masses today, that is a certainty.

I would not argue that it happened exactly as presented in the Bible. That argument is no stronger than the argument that there was no cataclysmic, regional flood, that was "global" to those who experienced it.

Such an event almost certainly occurred.

[Willum]

[Replying to post 48 by BeHereNow]

For pete's sake, this has been explained.

Every other culture has a Flood myth. A Flood fairy-tale. A Flood bed-time story.
Everyone but Judeo-Christians treat it as a parable, etc..

Only Judeo-Christians believe it is real. Chronologically, it was stolen from these others who believe it was a bed-time story. I think this shows the wisdom of Judeo-Christians.

[BeHereNow]

[Replying to post 48 by BeHereNow]

For pete's sake, this has been explained.

Every other culture has a Flood myth. A Flood fairy-tale. A Flood bed-time story.
Everyone but Judeo-Christians treat it as a parable, etc..

Only Judeo-Christians believe it is real. Chronologically, it was stolen from these others who believe it was a bed-time story. I think this shows the wisdom of Judeo-Christians.

You are close - but wrong.
Not all Christians take this and other myths literally, or so I have been told at church. For Jews, an even smaller percentage.

Those who could not distinguish a Pentecostal from Presbyterian believe they have the knowledge to lecture on religion. (Shakes head in disbelief.)

I have relatives who attend church weekly. Faithful servants of the Lord. They do not take the bible literally. Did I mention the husband and wife both have PHDs? His is in chemical engineering, hers is one of the sciences, although I do not recall exactly which.

There are those who take the Bible litterally, but you really have no idea how many. There are even Catholics who recognize the multi cultural aspects of Noah's flood, and they are the ultimate old world religion. I certainly know more about religion, denominations, and Churches, and I do not know.

Even in Anabaptist churches, a more fundamentalist group, there are those who do not take accounts of the flood literally, or so the told me. They have no reason to lie.

Here is some helpful infirmation

Perhaps that is because we have been looking at god the wrong way. Atheists often see gods and religion as being imposed from above, a bit like a totalitarian regime. But religious belief is more subtle and interesting than that. In these articles we lay out a new scientific vision that promises to, if not resolve ancient tensions, at least reset the terms of the debate.

Like it or not, religious belief is ingrained into human nature. And a good thing too: without it we would still be living in the Stone Age. Viewing religion this way opens up new territory in the battle between science and religion, not least that religion is much more likely to persist than science. Of course, the truth or otherwise of religion is not a closed book to science: the existence of a deity can be treated as a scientific hypothesis). Meanwhile, society is gradually learning to live without religion by replicating its success at binding people together. This is something secularists ought to take seriously. Only by understanding what religion is and is not can we ever hope to move on.

The Newscientist magazine devoted a complete issue to belief in God, with articles such as Religion is the key to civilization

You seem oblivious to the truthful relationship of Science and Religion.
Case in point:
On the research side, both the National Academy of Sciences and the American Association for the Advancement of Science (AAAS, which publishes this magazine) have launched projects to promote a dialogue between science and religion. New institutions aimed at bridging the gap have been formed, including the Chicago Center for Religion and Science, and the Center for Theology and Natural Sciences in Berkeley, California. Universities such as Cambridge and Princeton also have established professorships or lectureships on the reconciliation of the two camps.

Another sign of easing tensions is scientists' increasing willingness to discuss their spiritual beliefs in public. Nobel Prize winner Charles Townes (see sidebar) devoted 30 pages to religious questions in his 1995 book on physics, Making Waves. Sir John Houghton, former head of the scientists' working group of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, is a devout believer who in 1994 published a book on global warming not with a university press, but a religious house.

Josh Billings is credited with originating the iconic quote attributed to Mark Twain. It aint what you dont know that gets you into trouble. Its what you know for sure that just aint so.

Of course you "know" this does not apply to you.