Evidence that the biblical Yahweh is God

[StuartJ]

bjs asked:

Great! Which of those topic were you hoping to debate, and why didn’t you bring them up in the opening post?

Here's one of them right here:

What evidence of any sort whatsoever can be presented to demonstrate that the biblical Yahweh is God?

[ttruscott]

What evidence of any sort whatsoever can be presented to demonstrate that the biblical Yahweh is God?

This is not my quote...but my quote of the OP quote...

This is 100% equivalent to "I feel it is true." And yet, lots of people feel lots of things are true and later find out they are not. Emotions are not a valid means of gaining knowledge (let alone act as evidence to know) and generally quite the opposite. Feelings oft prove more detrimental in gaining knowledge and instead fill our minds with misunderstanding. In fact, just look at how many people on these forums get offended or "feel" attacked by simple disagreement.

...only if there is NO HOLY SPIRIT that indwells HIS people for their benefit. If there is, then this is false and worthless.

Also the 'fact' that not all people get this evidence is not proof that there is no such evidence... that is the black swan fallacy.

[StuartJ]

I thought I would bump this one back up the list again ...

Just in case someone missed the opportunity to present ...

Evidence that the biblical Yahweh is God.

Or maybe even acknowledge that they have none whatsoever ...

And the perhaps-not-Jewish Yahweh is as false and mythological and pagan a lowercase god as any other ethnic deity that adherents of Yahweh insist are false and mythological and pagan.

[marco]

I thought I would bump this one back up the list again ...

Just in case someone missed the opportunity to present ...

It would be hard to present evidence that Yahweh was even a decent man never mind creator of spiral galaxies, not forgetting the forgotten Pluto. Did he mean to make it a planet? Somebody who sends lots of frogs to frighten Pharaoh is a little less than god-like. And a being who plays hide-and-seek with neanderthals insults the name of a god.

Is it possible that the nostrils that delighted in burning bull smelled the very first rose, designed by the Designer, and pronounced it good, before maliciously adding a thorn or two? There's plenty of evidence to unseat the Almighty but nothing at all to restore his throne.

[StuartJ]

I posted the below in the Parietal Cortex topic.

It is most pertinent here ...

Christians do not provide the tiniest squeak of anything that remotely resembles evidence for the existence of THEIR versions of "God" ...

Yet they remain in a state of the mind that assents to the proposition that they are real.

Hindus do not provide the tiniest squeak of anything that remotely resembles evidence for the existence of THEIR versions of "God" ...

Yet they remain in a state of the mind that assents to the proposition that they are real.

People like me - who have tossed beliefs in the bin - have long understood that "God" was only happening in my head.

Scientists have determined that "God" happens in the parietal cortex ... in the heads of humans.

THIS Atheist finds that evidence-based fact intellectually satisfying.

In fact, I ACCOND to the proposition.

And because it's an accondance - a conditional acceptance - it can change as more evidence comes to light.

Evidence such as believers demonstrating that THEIR version of "God" exists outside their own parietal cortexes.

Until then, I shall remain intellectually satisfied that my understanding that gods and "scriptures" are nothing more than the products of human imaginations has been confirmed by evidence-based science.

[Elijah John]

bjs asked:

Great! Which of those topic were you hoping to debate, and why didn’t you bring them up in the opening post?

Here's one of them right here:

What evidence of any sort whatsoever can be presented to demonstrate that the biblical Yahweh is God?

Biblical evidence is clear:

Know that YHVH is God. It is he who made us, and we are his; we are his people, the sheep of his pasture.

Pslam 100.3

And there are several other related verses in "Old" Testament/Hebrew Bible.

By contrast such explicit clarity is absent from the NT regarding claims that Jesus is God. never is it stated simply and plainly, "Jesus is God".

In the context of the times, YHVH was the only God that forbade His represntation in images. The ancient Hebrews, for all their prmitive and babaric ways, were enlightened enough to realize this, while their pagan neighbors were busy bowing down before statues, and slaughtering children to offer their gods, having orgies, and drunken revelries in service to their gods..

Ethics is evidence to me. As far as I know, YHVH is the only God with a code of ethics attatched to His name. The Ten Commandments.

Quite enlightened notions for the time, the culture and the area. That to me is evidence that YHVH is God.

As well as subjective experience. though I realize that would not be considered "evidence" per se, to anyone else.

[Elijah John]

I thought I would bump this one back up the list again ...

Just in case someone missed the opportunity to present ...

It would be hard to present evidence that Yahweh was even a decent man never mind creator of spiral galaxies, not forgetting the forgotten Pluto. Did he mean to make it a planet? Somebody who sends lots of frogs to frighten Pharaoh is a little less than god-like. And a being who plays hide-and-seek with neanderthals insults the name of a god.

Is it possible that the nostrils that delighted in burning bull smelled the very first rose, designed by the Designer, and pronounced it good, before maliciously adding a thorn or two? There's plenty of evidence to unseat the Almighty but nothing at all to restore his throne.

Unless not every story attributed to YHVH accuately portrays Him. The one who commands ruthless slaughter does not seem to be the very same one who implores lovingkindness, as in Micah, 6.8. Could it be that the more tyrannical and militaristic YHVH is a projection of the ancients, wheras the voice of the Prophets and poets more accurately represents Him?

Isn't it possible that YHVH transcends the Bible? And sometimes the Bible gets it right, and other times, not so much.

I think the thoughtful believer would say yes, definitely. The skeptic and or/the fundamentalist, probably not.

But then again, the closed minded atheist and the fundamentalist seem to be flip sides of the same dogmatic coin.

[Tcg]

Could it be that the more tyrannical and militaristic YHVH is a projection of the ancients, wheras the voice of the Prophets and poets more accurately represents Him?

Or perhaps you have it exactly backwards. The Prophets and poets tried to hide the more tyrannical and militaristic YHVH.

The Bible gives one the option to create whatever kind of God one wants, as long as one is willing to ignore what the Bible says about that God one is creating.

It's almost as if white-out was created for this purpose. Pick and choose what you like and white-out the rest.

[Elijah John]

Could it be that the more tyrannical and militaristic YHVH is a projection of the ancients, wheras the voice of the Prophets and poets more accurately represents Him?

Or perhaps you have it exactly backwards. The Prophets and poets tried to hide the more tyrannical and militaristic YHVH.

The Bible gives one the option to create whatever kind of God one wants, as long as one is willing to ignore what the Bible says about that God one is creating.

It's almost as if white-out was created for this purpose. Pick and choose what you like and white-out the rest.

Since the Bible did not drop in-tact from Heaven as a completed volume, then isn't cherry picking and mining is a very valid option for the thoughtful person?

God may or may not have said "This is my beloved son, listen to him". But there is no record of Him saying, "this is my completed book, the Bible, believe it in it's entirety".

Are you saying it has to be "all or nothing"? That seems to be simplistic and catagorical thinking.

We "cherry pickers" are in good company, with the likes of Thomas Jefferson, who compiled his own version of the New Testament by extracting the ""diamonds from the dung". He did it intuititively, modern scholars are more systematic in attempting to dertermine what the real historical Jesus most likely said, and did not say.

[StuartJ]

[Replying to post 27 by Elijah John]

What evidence of any sort whatsoever can be presented to demonstrate that the biblical Yahweh is God?

[Elijah John]

[Replying to post 27 by Elijah John]

What evidence of any sort whatsoever can be presented to demonstrate that the biblical Yahweh is God?

Evidence presented in post # 24. Whether you accept the evidence is another matter.