If God died tomorrow, would we know? How would we know?

[ytrewq]

If God died tomorrow, would we know? How would we know?

Let’s assume for a minute that your God exists. If it (I presume gods are sexless) died tomorrow, or moved to another universe or whatever, would we know? If so, then how would we know?

Presumably atheists would claim that nothing would change. After all, science has no need of gods, so planetary motion would continue, the sky would not fall in, the sun would rise each morning as it always did and so on. And an atheist presumably believes that our morality would not change either.

But what of those that do believe in a God. How would you know if your god died? Would you know at all? How would you know?

[amortalman]

If God died tomorrow, would we know? How would we know?

If you are asking atheists this question you are actually asking "If the God you don't believe in died, would you know? How would you know?" So the question cannot apply to unbelievers.

If you are asking believers if they would know, and how they would know, you might as well be asking them if they should come upon a square circle would they know, and how would they know? Because for them the notion of God's death is as impossible as a square circle.

[Tart]

After all, science has no need of gods, so planetary motion would continue, the sky would not fall in, the sun would rise each morning as it always did and so on. And an atheist presumably believes that our morality would not change either.

What if the God you claim who is irrelevant, created you and everything around you?

[JehovahsWitness]

...can you also give details of how the "universe and everything in it would simultaneously cease to exist." .

I'll certainly consider doing so, just after you give me some details of what would kill an omnipotent infinite God?


JW

[showme]

If God died tomorrow, would we know? How would we know?

Let’s assume for a minute that your God exists. If it (I presume gods are sexless) died tomorrow, or moved to another universe or whatever, would we know? If so, then how would we know?

Presumably atheists would claim that nothing would change. After all, science has no need of gods, so planetary motion would continue, the sky would not fall in, the sun would rise each morning as it always did and so on. And an atheist presumably believes that our morality would not change either.

But what of those that do believe in a God. How would you know if your god died? Would you know at all? How would you know?

And your "morality" or lack of "morality" is based on what exactly? And what exactly does that "morality" look like? Is it the same for the pedophile atheist as the non pedophile atheist, or are all "atheist" sons of God, and without blemish? Do atheist have a central code of conduct agency, to see that their noses remain unblemished? If they are all unblemished, maybe they should organize and create their own church, with tax free status. Listen, in real life no one goes around claiming they are atheist, unless they have a TV gig which draws in cash. I will admit my neighbor does claim to be agnostic, but he was raised a Catholic, what else can he say. Yet knowing the flaws of Catholicism, he still lets his kids go to the Catholic church. I think he simply sees the hypocrisy of the church and wants no part of it. The church of the beast, and the tabernacle of God, are two different elements. As for the god of the atheist, he apparently according the many atheists, is dead, except for the ringing voice in their heads which keeps them on the straight and narrow. According to the Pew poll, it is not looking good for the atheist. Apparently they believe, in a large part, in the god called, the Democratic party. They seem to confuse the "beast" with the "dragon". But just the same, you worship one, you worship the other. (Revelation 13:4).

Pew fact check: Self-identified atheists tend to be aligned with the Democratic Party and with political liberalism

[showme]

If God died tomorrow, would we know? How would we know?

If you are asking atheists this question you are actually asking "If the God you don't believe in died, would you know? How would you know?" So the question cannot apply to unbelievers.

If you are asking believers if they would know, and how they would know, you might as well be asking them if they should come upon a square circle would they know, and how would they know? Because for them the notion of God's death is as impossible as a square circle.

Any "circle" you find on a computer screen would be nothing a series of square pixels.

[showme]

...can you also give details of how the "universe and everything in it would simultaneously cease to exist." .

I'll certainly consider doing so, just after you give me some details of what would kill an omnipotent infinite God?


JW

"God" was not killed, and the "universe", heaven and earth, still exist.

[ytrewq]

If God died tomorrow, would we know? How would we know?

If you are asking atheists this question you are actually asking "If the God you don't believe in died, would you know? How would you know?" So the question cannot apply to unbelievers.

If you are asking believers if they would know, and how they would know, you might as well be asking them if they should come upon a square circle would they know, and how would they know? Because for them the notion of God's death is as impossible as a square circle.

The question is what is known as a hypothetical. I made it clear in the original post that atheists would need to assume for the purposes of the question that God really did exist. Likewise for Christians/Theists, where I am similarly asking them to consider a "what-if" question, and what I actually said was if God died, or moved off to another universe, or whatever. It does none of us any harm to consider "what if" questions, and sometimes we learn something by doing so.

I'm no hypocrite. I answered the question from an atheist viewpoint even though I don't believe for a microsecond that a God actually exists, so no reason why theists/Christians cannot answer the question from their viewpoint where they don't believe for a microsecond that their god would actually die. And to their credit, some theists (and atheists) have done their best to answer the question, and I thank and respect them for it.

[ytrewq]

...can you also give details of how the "universe and everything in it would simultaneously cease to exist." .

I'll certainly consider doing so, just after you give me some details of what would kill an omnipotent infinite God?


JW

See my previous posting above to amortalman. It's a hypothetical question, a "what if", and as such you are missing the point in saying that in your view, a God cannot die. If it is good enough for the atheists to answer the question assuming that a God exists when they don't believe for a microsecond that it does, why is it not good enough for you to answer the same "what if" question when you don't believe for a microsecond that a god could actually die or move off somewhere else?

And BTW, whether or not I can answer "what would kill an omnipotent infinite God?"does not in any way alter the fact that you cannot "give details of how the "universe and everything in it would simultaneously cease to exist".

What you have attempted to pull of here is a common ruse, intended to deflect attention from your inability to answer a question. Perhaps you might have done better to simply have said something like "I do not know the answer to that"

Edited in. And yet I feel guilty and uneasy. You demonstrated decency and honesty in choosing to answer the original question in the first place. I then proceeded to tear apart you answer, hardly a nice thing to do, hardly a way to reward an honest answer that you gave as a favour to me, as the OP of the thread. I don't know what the answer is to that. Maybe I need to learn to be more polite and restrained. I guess it largely gets down to being able to strongly disagree with someone's opinion, while still having complete respect for the person, which I do. Peace. Perhaps I need to tone down the aggression.

[ytrewq]

After all, science has no need of gods, so planetary motion would continue, the sky would not fall in, the sun would rise each morning as it always did and so on. And an atheist presumably believes that our morality would not change either.

What if the God you claim who is irrelevant, created you and everything around you?

What if he did? I was prepared to assume for the purpose of the question that a God existed, and went ahead and answered the question to the best of my ability.

Are you similarly prepared to answer the question?

[ytrewq]

If God died tomorrow, would we know? How would we know?

Let’s assume for a minute that your God exists. If it (I presume gods are sexless) died tomorrow, or moved to another universe or whatever, would we know? If so, then how would we know?

Presumably atheists would claim that nothing would change. After all, science has no need of gods, so planetary motion would continue, the sky would not fall in, the sun would rise each morning as it always did and so on. And an atheist presumably believes that our morality would not change either.

But what of those that do believe in a God. How would you know if your god died? Would you know at all? How would you know?

And your "morality" or lack of "morality" is based on what exactly? And what exactly does that "morality" look like? etc

As an atheist, if God existed and died tomorrow then my morality would be unaffected, because I do not and never have drawn my morality from a God.

Partly my morality was taught to me by my parents, who generally explained to me why we should not steal and so on, which really just gets down to not doing something that hurts other people. The "Golden Rule" of not doing to others as you would not wish them to do with you is also a useful guide, as indeed are many moral principles drawn from the Bible, though one can find at least as many truly horrific and immoral instances in the Bible as well, so at the end of the day we filter the contents of the Bible and accept that which we find morally desirable. Our laws also give moral guidance. But the one place I have never received morals from, or anything whatsoever from, is a God. Thus I can state with certainty that if a God existed and died tomorrow, that my morality would be unaffected.

How about you? Do you need your God in order to know what is right and wrong, and act morally?