What does, the last book of the bible mean? Is the apocalypse described in revelations just a massive war held on Earth similar to the Holocaust? 2) Is revelations the end of the human controlled world? 3) Is revelations describing the end of all the life on Earth? 4) Is it just the end of the world, or the end of humanity? Will Humanity survive the apocalypse? Will humans still be kings and rulers of a planet Earth? I have never understood revelations. Can anyone explain it very simply (as though I am a child)?
Regarding the meaning only from revelations book I think revelations it sounds a bit like a Titanomachy! Will Earth become badly ruined completely to never again support modern existence? or could we rebuild and who would lead us?
What does revelations mean?
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Re: What does revelations mean?
Post #11[Replying to post 10 by Tcg]
Well I don't interpret that vision as you do. According to how we (Jehovah's Witnesses) interpret it, it is but one step in a series of events that will result in the meek inheriting the earth. The meek inheriting the earth is, we believe a good thing, a very good thing for everyone ..... EXCEPT of course for the incorrigbly wicked (see below post #11). Harmageddon is the ultimate war between good and evil... good wins!
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Well I don't interpret that vision as you do. According to how we (Jehovah's Witnesses) interpret it, it is but one step in a series of events that will result in the meek inheriting the earth. The meek inheriting the earth is, we believe a good thing, a very good thing for everyone ..... EXCEPT of course for the incorrigbly wicked (see below post #11). Harmageddon is the ultimate war between good and evil... good wins!
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Post #12[Replying to post 11 by JehovahsWitness]
I am certainly not "the incorrigible wicked" simply because I do not wish for such things. I am open to having you explain to me how not wanting these things makes me one of "the incorrigible wicked" in your estimate.
I disagree. I am meek but do not wish to inherit the earth, nor do I wish to live in this universe forever.Well I don't interpret that vision as you do. According to how we (Jehovah's Witnesses) interpret it, it is but one step in a series of events that will result in the meek inheriting the earth. The meek inheriting the earth is, we believe a good thing, a very good thing for everyone ..... EXCEPT of course for the incorrigbly wicked.
I am certainly not "the incorrigible wicked" simply because I do not wish for such things. I am open to having you explain to me how not wanting these things makes me one of "the incorrigible wicked" in your estimate.
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Post #13[Replying to post 11 by JehovahsWitness]
WILL GOD KILL EVERYONE, WIPING OUT ALL LIFE ON PLANET EARTH AT ARMAGEDDON?
ANSWER Absolutely not. The book of Revelation speaks of "a great crowd which no man could number" containing individuals from all nationalities and language groups surviving that epic destruction (Harmageddon) - compare Reb 7:9. Armageddon is the selective destruction of those Almighty God judges as incorrigbly wicked.
QUESTION: Should we expect God to destroy billions of people?
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WILL GOD KILL EVERYONE, WIPING OUT ALL LIFE ON PLANET EARTH AT ARMAGEDDON?
ANSWER Absolutely not. The book of Revelation speaks of "a great crowd which no man could number" containing individuals from all nationalities and language groups surviving that epic destruction (Harmageddon) - compare Reb 7:9. Armageddon is the selective destruction of those Almighty God judges as incorrigbly wicked.
GENESIS 18:25
It is unthinkable that you would act in this manner by putting the righteous man to death with the wicked one so that the outcome for the righteous man and the wicked is the same!
QUESTION: Should we expect God to destroy billions of people?
- We simply do not know how many people will be judged as "wicked" and killed off by God at Harmageddon. The bible book of Revelation does indeed paint a dramatic picture of that period with many striking images but it should also be noted that Jesus will judge people individualy according to their deeds and nobody will be killed "accidentally" (as in present day wars) or written off as "collateral damage" and importantly there will be survivors (see above).
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Post #14[Replying to post 11 by JehovahsWitness]
I am certainly not "the incorrigible wicked" simply because I do not wish for such things. I am open to having you explain to me how not wanting these things makes me one of "the incorrigible wicked" in your estimate.
I disagree. I am meek but do not wish to inherit the earth, nor do I wish to live in this universe forever.Well I don't interpret that vision as you do. According to how we (Jehovah's Witnesses) interpret it, it is but one step in a series of events that will result in the meek inheriting the earth. The meek inheriting the earth is, we believe a good thing, a very good thing for everyone ..... EXCEPT of course for the incorrigbly wicked.
I am certainly not "the incorrigible wicked" simply because I do not wish for such things. I am open to having you explain to me how not wanting these things makes me one of "the incorrigible wicked" in your estimate.
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Re: What does revelations mean?
Post #15I didn't interpret it, I simply reported what it said.
This is nothing more than your admission that your claim that, "God will soon solve all mankind's problems", isn't true. This statement proves that the mythological tale from Revelation is NOT a story of God solving ALL of mankind's problems.
According to how we (Jehovah's Witnesses) interpret it, it is but one step in a series of events that will result in the meek inheriting the earth. The meek inheriting the earth is, we believe a good thing, a very good thing for everyone ..... EXCEPT of course for the incorrigbly wicked.
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Additionally, there is nothing "incorrigibly [sic] wicked" about rejecting a blood thirsty God, imaginary though it may be.
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Post #17[Replying to post 16 by JehovahsWitness]
What right do you have to share such opinion publicly and then not have to answer the questions those who do not share your opinion, ask of you?
It was noted that your opinion gave you a right to infer that others who do not share your opinion, are "the incorrigible wicked."Your opinion has been noted. I simply shared mine.
What right do you have to share such opinion publicly and then not have to answer the questions those who do not share your opinion, ask of you?
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Post #18William wrote:
What right do you have to share such opinion publicly and then not have to answer the questions those who do not share your opinion, ask of you?
Was there a question? I didn't see a question.
If anyone has as question for me they are free to post it, I will certainly consider answering it.
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Re: What does revelations mean?
Post #19I didn't share an opinion. I stated facts.JehovahsWitness wrote: [Replying to post 15 by Tcg]
Your opinion has been noted. I simply shared mine.
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Post #20[Replying to post 18 by JehovahsWitness]
I am open to having you explain to me how not wanting *these things makes me one of "the incorrigible wicked" in your estimate. Are you able to explain?
* "The meek inheriting the earth is, we believe a good thing, a very good thing for everyone ..... EXCEPT of course for the incorrigbly wicked."
I am meek but do not wish to inherit the earth, nor do I wish to live in this universe forever.
I am certainly not "the incorrigible wicked" simply because I do not wish for such things.
Do you really believe that those who do not desire *these things, are "the incorrigible wicked"?
What right do you have to share such opinion publicly and then not have to answer the questions those who do not share your opinion, ask of you?
What about the question you quoted. Can you answer that?Was there a question? I didn't see a question.
It was noted that your opinion gave you a right to infer that others who do not share your opinion, are "the incorrigible wicked."If anyone has as question for me they are free to post it, I will certainly consider answering it.
I am open to having you explain to me how not wanting *these things makes me one of "the incorrigible wicked" in your estimate. Are you able to explain?
* "The meek inheriting the earth is, we believe a good thing, a very good thing for everyone ..... EXCEPT of course for the incorrigbly wicked."
I am meek but do not wish to inherit the earth, nor do I wish to live in this universe forever.
I am certainly not "the incorrigible wicked" simply because I do not wish for such things.
Do you really believe that those who do not desire *these things, are "the incorrigible wicked"?
