What does, the last book of the bible mean? Is the apocalypse described in revelations just a massive war held on Earth similar to the Holocaust? 2) Is revelations the end of the human controlled world? 3) Is revelations describing the end of all the life on Earth? 4) Is it just the end of the world, or the end of humanity? Will Humanity survive the apocalypse? Will humans still be kings and rulers of a planet Earth? I have never understood revelations. Can anyone explain it very simply (as though I am a child)?
Regarding the meaning only from revelations book I think revelations it sounds a bit like a Titanomachy! Will Earth become badly ruined completely to never again support modern existence? or could we rebuild and who would lead us?
What does revelations mean?
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Re: What does revelations mean?
Post #21William wrote: [Replying to post 18 by JehovahsWitness]
What right do you have to share such opinion publicly and then not have to answer the questions those who do not share your opinion, ask of you?What about the question you quoted. Can you answer that?Was there a question? I didn't see a question.
Which question are you refering to?
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Post #22If by "such opinions" you are refering to what *I* have thus far expressed in this thread, I have the same right to express my opinion publically as anyone else on the planet, that right is not subject to whether or not I subsequently answer follow up questions although I'm more than willing to consider doing so.William wrote:
What right do you have to share such opinion publicly and then not have to answer the questions those who do not share your opinion, ask of you?
I don't believe not wanting these things necessarily makes you incorrigible wicked. I believe only God can read a person's heart and judge if what he sees therein is incorrigible wickedness or not.William wrote:
I am open to having you explain to me how not wanting *these things makes me one of "the incorrigible wicked" in your estimate. Are you able to explain?
No I don't.William wrote:
Do you really believe that those who do not desire *these things, are "the incorrigible wicked"?
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Re: What does revelations mean?
Post #23JehovahsWitness wrote:William wrote: [Replying to post 18 by JehovahsWitness]
What right do you have to share such opinion publicly and then not have to answer the questions those who do not share your opinion, ask of you?What about the question you quoted. Can you answer that?Was there a question? I didn't see a question.
Which question are you refering to?
It's the question William first asked in post 17. You quoted it in post 18. William repeated it in post 20. You've now quoted it at the top of this post. It's the text in blue followed by a question mark.
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Re: What does revelations mean?
Post #25Post 22 does not address the question William originally asked in post 17. Here is his question:
- "What right do you have to share such opinion publicly and then not have to answer the questions those who do not share your opinion, ask of you?"
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Re: What does revelations mean?
Post #27[Replying to post 1 by avalon]
The last book of the bible is the explanation of how the Kingdom of God and truth will be restored onto the planet earth. Where, the apocalypse is an event involving destruction or damage on an awesome scale or that has never been experienced before.
YesThe glorified Son of God has been assigned the task of making things right, as related to the earth and at a minimum, our solar system.
No, but it surely seems to imply that human life (physical) will cease to exist, eventually! Yet, there are indications that some physical life (animals, birds and marine life) may still exist. The real purpose of the human being is to replace the sinning angels in God's Kingdom. Hence, when a human being "truly" accepts God's sovereignty over them, they will eventually be changed from physical to glorious. This will occur for some, when the Christ returns and for most during the first thousand years of the Christ's reign on this earth.
The bible seems to state that it is the end of "both" the world (earth) and humanity, as we know it today. But, this doesn't mean that each will cease to exist. There will be a new heaven and a new earth, where humanity has also been created differently, then it is today.
Yes, the bible tells us that unless God intervenes, humanity will completely destroy itself. This hope seem to be the reason for Revelations. However, not many will survive (as compared to the whole)! Yet, this isn't that important. After, the apocalypse, the dead will begin to rise to life again and be taught the true ways of God. Then, a choice will be needed to be made: God's ways or humanities ways. The decision made will determine if existence continues
No, they won't. The physical will not be in charge of the Kingdom of God. The bible tells us that the Christ will be the head of the new government, which will be established on this earth. The bible also tells us that many are called, but few are chosen. These chosen are the ones who will assist the Christ. They will be the ones who are referred to as the firstfruits of the Kingdom of God, where the Christ is the first of the firstfruits.
In the last days the mountain of the LORD's temple will be established as the highest of the mountains; it will be exalted above the hills, and peoples will stream to it. Many nations will come and say, "Come, let us go up to the mountain of the LORD, to the temple of the God of Jacob. He will teach us his ways, so that we may walk in his paths." The law will go out from Zion, the word of the LORD from Jerusalem. He will judge between many peoples and will settle disputes for strong nations far and wide. They will beat their swords into plowshares and their spears into pruning hooks. Nation will not take up sword against nation, nor will they train for war anymore (Micah 4:1-3 NIV copyright 2011-2018 Biblica).
avalon wrote:What does, the last book of the bible mean? Is the apocalypse described in revelations just a massive war held on Earth similar to the Holocaust?
The last book of the bible is the explanation of how the Kingdom of God and truth will be restored onto the planet earth. Where, the apocalypse is an event involving destruction or damage on an awesome scale or that has never been experienced before.
avalon wrote:Is revelations the end of the human controlled world?
YesThe glorified Son of God has been assigned the task of making things right, as related to the earth and at a minimum, our solar system.
avalon wrote:Is revelations describing the end of all the life on Earth?
No, but it surely seems to imply that human life (physical) will cease to exist, eventually! Yet, there are indications that some physical life (animals, birds and marine life) may still exist. The real purpose of the human being is to replace the sinning angels in God's Kingdom. Hence, when a human being "truly" accepts God's sovereignty over them, they will eventually be changed from physical to glorious. This will occur for some, when the Christ returns and for most during the first thousand years of the Christ's reign on this earth.
avalon wrote:Is it just the end of the world, or the end of humanity?
The bible seems to state that it is the end of "both" the world (earth) and humanity, as we know it today. But, this doesn't mean that each will cease to exist. There will be a new heaven and a new earth, where humanity has also been created differently, then it is today.
avalon wrote:Will Humanity survive the apocalypse?
Yes, the bible tells us that unless God intervenes, humanity will completely destroy itself. This hope seem to be the reason for Revelations. However, not many will survive (as compared to the whole)! Yet, this isn't that important. After, the apocalypse, the dead will begin to rise to life again and be taught the true ways of God. Then, a choice will be needed to be made: God's ways or humanities ways. The decision made will determine if existence continues
avalon wrote:Will humans still be kings and rulers of a planet Earth?
No, they won't. The physical will not be in charge of the Kingdom of God. The bible tells us that the Christ will be the head of the new government, which will be established on this earth. The bible also tells us that many are called, but few are chosen. These chosen are the ones who will assist the Christ. They will be the ones who are referred to as the firstfruits of the Kingdom of God, where the Christ is the first of the firstfruits.
In the last days the mountain of the LORD's temple will be established as the highest of the mountains; it will be exalted above the hills, and peoples will stream to it. Many nations will come and say, "Come, let us go up to the mountain of the LORD, to the temple of the God of Jacob. He will teach us his ways, so that we may walk in his paths." The law will go out from Zion, the word of the LORD from Jerusalem. He will judge between many peoples and will settle disputes for strong nations far and wide. They will beat their swords into plowshares and their spears into pruning hooks. Nation will not take up sword against nation, nor will they train for war anymore (Micah 4:1-3 NIV copyright 2011-2018 Biblica).
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Re: What does revelations mean?
Post #28As always, I address the post as it is at the time I am posting. How could I do otherwise? At the time of my reply, you had not addressed the question. Why did you refer me to a post that at the time I addressed it was lacking an answer?
Now that you have addressed the question, when did you realize that it was indeed a question?
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Re: What does revelations mean?
Post #29[Replying to post 22 by JehovahsWitness]
1: What you believe is a very good thing for everybody, the meek inheriting the earth and
2: Everyone else by implication must be incorrigibly wicked.
[center]and now with option 3 based on the idea that "only God can read a person's heart and judge"...[/center]
3: Those who are not incorrigibly wicked and do not want to be stuck on this planet as a human, in this universe forever, can do something else instead.
[center]...you have had to adjust accordingly?[/center]
I am open to having you explain to me how not wanting *these things makes me one of "the incorrigible wicked" in your estimate. Are you able to explain?
What do you believe about those who will not think that to inherit the earth and live forever in this universe as a human being, as being a good thing at all?I don't believe not wanting these things necessarily makes you incorrigible wicked.
Then perhaps the best thing to do is to leave your opinion out of the equation when it comes to saying who is who, and who deserves what.I believe only God can read a person's heart and judge if what he sees therein is incorrigible wickedness or not.
Do you really believe that those who do not desire *these things, are "the incorrigible wicked"?
[center]Maybe this is because you only thought there were two possible options... [/center]No I don't.
1: What you believe is a very good thing for everybody, the meek inheriting the earth and
2: Everyone else by implication must be incorrigibly wicked.
[center]and now with option 3 based on the idea that "only God can read a person's heart and judge"...[/center]
3: Those who are not incorrigibly wicked and do not want to be stuck on this planet as a human, in this universe forever, can do something else instead.
[center]...you have had to adjust accordingly?[/center]
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Re: What does revelations mean?
Post #30Yes, I saw the edit. Did you see my reply to it?
If so, what is your response?
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To be clear: Atheism is not a disbelief in gods or a denial of gods; it is a lack of belief in gods.
- American Atheists
Not believing isn't the same as believing not.
- wiploc
I must assume that knowing is better than not knowing, venturing than not venturing; and that magic and illusion, however rich, however alluring, ultimately weaken the human spirit.
- Irvin D. Yalom
- American Atheists
Not believing isn't the same as believing not.
- wiploc
I must assume that knowing is better than not knowing, venturing than not venturing; and that magic and illusion, however rich, however alluring, ultimately weaken the human spirit.
- Irvin D. Yalom
