According to the tales, Jesus gave up a weekend.

[Zzyzx]

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According to the tales, Jesus gave up a weekend. What’s the big deal?

What is the ‘sacrifice’ in a supposedly eternal being giving up a weekend being ‘dead’?

An 'omnipotent god' (or part thereof, or whatever is claimed) would presumably know that the 'death' was extremely temporary -- just a few hours (less than 48 according to the tale).

[JehovahsWitness]

Of course when it comes to answering your question, Z, we have to look at the various different beliefs when it ceoms to what the price is that Jesus paid. Was it just paying a ransom or was it taking our punishment for us?

I agree and while there are those that claim beliefs have no place in a debate forum, you are right that the question can only be answered from a position of belief, since it is those beliefs which attribute religious value to any given action, including the life and death of Jesus (the topic of the OP).

In the light of your comment I am now going to share my beliefs as one of Jehovahs Witnesses on the matter. Biblically what Jesus expedienced did have value (col. "a big deal") in God's eyes. I personally agree with Him.



Regards,


JW


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[marco]

In the light of your comment I am now going to share my beliefs as one of Jehovahs Witnesses on the matter. Biblically what Jesus experienced did have value in God's eyes.

I have no wish to show disrespect for somebody's religious view but I enjoy reading your insertions on the belief system of Jehovah's Witnesses. The one you refer us to claims Jesus had a previous existence but was then called Michael. I imagine friends called him Mikey. I think it was very wise of him to change his name.


I'm not clear on how the references relate to Christ's sacrificial weekend.

[JehovahsWitness]

...Romans beat and crucified thousands of people ...unlike Jesus, they stayed dead, so what was the sacrifice?

Emphasis MINE

Would Jesus need to "stay dead" for the Ransom to be valid?
http://debatingchristianity.com/forum/v ... 280#875280

.... I find the biblical human blood sacrifice story to be quite disgusting!

Do Jehovah's Witnesses view Jesus death as a human sacrifice?
http://debatingchristianity.com/forum/v ... 445#809445

[JehovahsWitness]

The following are all faith statements I have no proof to offer beyond my faith in the bible




DID JESUS DEATH HAVE TO BE THE MOST PAINFUL IN THE HISTORY OF MANKIND TO BE VALID AS A RANSOM?

Jesus was quite explicit as to his mission on earth, namely to "give his life as a ransom in exchange for many" (Matthew 20:28). The value of the ransom lay in his offering as a sacrifice his perfect (sinless) human life. While anyone that has done any research on the torture and execution of Christ, would reasonably conclude it was an extremely painful way to die, the ransom only required that he died not that he died in absolute agony or that death was the longest or most excruciating ever experienced.



As it was, if the bible account is to be believed, Jesus proved faithful under extreme physical emotion and spiritual anguish. Although it was not required for the ransom to be valid, his faith under such extreme tests settled a vital question raised in Eden and won the love and respect of all those that value spiritual integrity.





JW


FURTHER READING The Cry of Dereliction in Luke's Gospel
https://fosterheologicalreflections.blo ... ospel.html


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[JehovahsWitness]

[Replying to post 3 by marco]The following are all faith statements I have no proof to offer beyond my faith in the bible

WHY WAS JESUS DEATH SO IMPORTANT*/SIGNIFICANT?
*valuable

Millions of humans have died through history, many in horrifically agonizing ways, biblically, what makes the death of Jesus so significant is that he was a perfect man offering his life as a ransom in exchange for the lives of the descendants of the only other perfect man to walk the earth, Adam. No imperfect human ever born could provide this ransom, thus the death of Jesus as a perfect man was a unique event.

PSALMS 49:7 -

None of them can ever redeem a brother or give to God a ransom for him (The ransom* price for their life is so precious That it is always beyond their reach) That he should live forever ...

WHAT DID CHRIST'S DEATH ACHIEVE?

The death of Jesus provide the legal basis for God to wipe out the effects of Adamic sin and death for obedient mankind. Thus the death of Jesus saved countless billions of people from permanent death. All those people that will be resurrected to eternal life in perfect health, owe the "cure" to their cancer, Alzheimers, AIDS and any other generic disease (or whatever killed them), as well as the reversal of the degenerative effects of aging and all sickness to the sacrifice of Jesus Christ.

No other single act has been of such benefit for so many, it was quite simply the greatest and most significant, important, momentous and beneficial act in the history of the universe.

LEARN MORE Why did Jesus die? [ Video 4"mins]
https://www.jw.org/finder?srcid=share&p ... id=1011214

FURTHER READING The Ransom​—God’s Greatest Gift
https://www.jw.org/en/publications/book ... sacrifice/

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NOTE All posts I write represent my personal faith based beliefs as one of Jehovah's Witnesses

[JehovahsWitness]

As for "destroying death", humans before him died and after him continued to die. Not an iota was changed by Christ's drama.

When will the full benefits of the ransom go into action
http://debatingchristianity.com/forum/v ... 193#852193

[sorrento]

[Replying to post 15 by JehovahsWitness]

I take it that you believe that Jesus was sacrificed on the cross for the sins of mankind, that his death paid the penalty for man's wickedness. But what would such a thing actually achieve?
I think that Christopher Hitchens put it best when he said, and I'm paraphrasing, that he could pay someone's fine for wrongdoing, or if possible go to jail and do someone's time, or in the worst case take their place on the electric chair.
In other words, he could take their punishment for them, but what he could not do was take away from them the responsibility they had in committing those wrongful acts in the first place.
I repeat what I said in an earlier post that the idea of a human blood sacrifice is disgusting!

[JehovahsWitness]

[Replying to post 15 by JehovahsWitness]

I take it that you believe that Jesus was sacrificed on the cross for the sins of mankind, that his death paid the penalty for man's wickedness. But what would such a thing actually achieve?

See heading WHAT DID CHRIST'S DEATH ACHIEVE? in my post above.
http://debatingchristianity.com/forum/v ... 477#978477

[ttruscott]

so what was the sacrifice

In Christianity, the sacrifice was in
1. who He was
2. what was the reason for and result of His death.

No matter how closely other deaths might look the same, this criteria cannot be duplicated. And there is NO criteria that He must suffer more than anyone else or for longer or for any other strawman criteria made up to denigrate His work.

[1213]

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According to the tales, Jesus gave up a weekend. What’s the big deal?
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By what I have read, Jesus gave his whole life on earth for people, because he used his life to preach and teach people to find God’s kingdom and the Gospel.