Does anyone actually believe the story of Noah's Ark?

[Topaz27]

I know a bunch of Christians, and so many of them believe that Noah's Ark is a myth. Basically just a story to teach morals and lessons. I personally see a lot of things wrong with the story of the flood. So I was wondering, if anyone believes the story of Noah's Ark, and the world flood, to be the truth?

[Donray]

Can you show me where anybody said that humans died on the tops of mountains?[/quote]

Use your head. Were would you go if there is a flood? The lowest place or the highest place? Why don't you think that people and animals would not go to the highest place to escape be drowned??????

Never did responds to the question about do you drowning a baby is good or evil?????
What about an answer? You afraid to give an answer????

[JehovahsWitness]

[Replying to post 142 by Donray]


FOSSILS ON THE TOPS OF MOUNTAINS



Given the massive amount of water that would have fallen in such a short time, nobody would have had the time to pack their bags and travel very far. People tend not to live on the tops of mountains, and they certainly would not have had the time to climb one*. People naturally flee to the highest local point in a flood situation which, given time constraints is often their roof or a tree. In any case, they would have likely drowned where they lived and been covered with sediment right in their locality.


WHALE BONES ON THE TOPS OF MOUNTAINS

NOTE OF INTEREST The presence of whale and other sea life fossils on tops of mountains are seen by some as evidence what are presently our mountaintops were at one time covered by water.
https://www.nytimes.com/1987/03/12/us/w ... m-sea.html

* A frozen mammoth was uncovered in Siberia in 1901, after thousands of years, vegetation was still in its mouth which many believe as indication of a sudden catastrophic event which wiped out much of life in earth, consistent with the biblical narrative.




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[Tcg]

[Replying to post 142 by Donray]


FOSSILS ON THE TOPS OF MOUNTAINS

Given the massive amount of water that would have fallen in such a short time, nobody would have had the time to pack their bags and travel very far. People tend not to live on the tops of mountains, and they certainly would not have had the time to climb one. People naturally flee to the highest local point in a flood situation which, given time constraints is often their roof or a tree. In any case, they would have likely drowned where they lived and been covered with sediment right in their locality.

NOTE OF INTEREST The presence of whale and other sea life fossils on tops of mountains are seen by some as evidence what are presently our mountaintops were at nine time covered by water.
https://www.nytimes.com/1987/03/12/us/w ... m-sea.html

Simple research into the age of the Andes mountains reveals a serious timing issue with your theory:

• When did the Andes mountains form?
  
  The prevailing view is that the Andes became a mountain range between ten to six million years ago when a huge volume of rock dropped off the base of the Earth's crust in response to over-thickening of the crust in this region. When this large portion of dense material was removed, the remaining portion of the crust underwent rapid uplift.
  
  With collaborators at Scottish Universities Environmental Research Centre and partially funded by BHP Billiton, Dr Evenstar analysed large boulders from 2km high in the western margin of the Andes. She has shown that the Andes were already near their present elevation 14 million years ago.
  
  https://phys.org/news/2015-11-andes-mountains.html

Unless you are suggesting that humans existed and that the biblical flood occurred more than 14 million years ago, your theory doesn't hold water.


Tcg

[Topaz27]

It doesn't really mattered where they died. There would be bodies floating everywhere, of all kinds of animals (and yes that includes humans)

Actually it would make sense if fossils that we've found were more spread out due to the flood carrying them different places. Instead we find them where we would expect to find them. For example we don't find T-Rex fossils in North America and Australia. Just the North America. If there was a flood, you would expect them to have drifted somewhere else, but we don't.

[JehovahsWitness]

[Replying to post 145 by Topaz27]

I'm not sure I understand you {quote } "fossils that we've found were more spread out due to the flood carrying them different places{unquote} , aren't fossil discoveries usually indicative that the creatures lived and died in the vicinity? Your comment seems to describe a "drifting fossil" theory I am unfamiliar with.





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http://debatingchristianity.com/forum/v ... 13#p274513

Flood Myths
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/flood-myths.html

[Tcg]

I'm not sure I understand youn "drifting fossil" theory, arent fossil discoveries usually indicative that the creatures lived and died in the vicinity?

"Drifting fossils?" Topaz27 referred to "bodies floating." Here's the proof of my claim:

There would be bodies floating everywhere, of all kinds of animals (and yes that includes humans)

It's hard to taken a reply seriously when it includes a blatant misquote. Oddly, we've seen a number of these in this thread.

Tcg

[Topaz27]

Jehovah's Witness:
First off Tcg understood me correctly.

Why do you refuse to answer my questions? And while you might not know for sure, no one does. You believe in God, I want to know when you believe the universe started? When do you believe the world was made? Do you believe the earth if flat? How long ago do you believe the flood happened?

Then, why do you believe these things?

And if you've stated them before, I'm sorry, you haven't been very clear enough. I have looked through this subforum several times now. I am giving you the chance to clearly state your views, so I can't mistake your beliefs.

There are four questions I want answered that are stated above, please answer them.

[onewithhim]

[Replying to post 131 by onewithhim]

The point I'm trying to make is that various civilizations have a Flood story. If it really happened, then such would be the case, would it not? The tale of a Great Flood would be in the civilizations' lore somewhere. We would expect each version of the story to be different, according to that group's own religious orientations (most did not recognize nor worship Jehovah, Noah's God). They all had their own slant on this great event.

If that is all true then it is entirely inconsistent with the biblical great flood.

Other civilizations weren't interested in honoring the true God, Jehovah.They had their other gods, to whom they gave names other than any associated with Jehovah or His worshippers. Also, why should they care about the details of the Flood story that were passed down from Noah and his family?

[onewithhim]

Please knock off the old stale complaint that God is an ogre because He caused the death of children when he brought the Flood. Yes He did show respect to all humans when He allowed them to make up their own minds and take steps to show their chosen course, all the while having the option of boarding the ark with Noah. Yet you blame God for their choices!

There is absolutely no support for this view from the Bible. Before Noah built the ark God told him specifically who would be boarding the ark.

Beyond that, this passage from Matthew 24 absolutely contradicts your claim.

• 38 For in the days before the flood, people were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, up to the day Noah entered the ark; 39a and they knew nothing about what would happen until the flood came and took them all away.

When theories that contradict the Bible are fabricated to paint a false picture of God's true actions, we know without a doubt that the God being protected truly is an ogre.


Tcg

Excuse me, Tcg, but may I inquire as to what version of the Bible you are using? Are you sure that the version you are using is setting forth the true meaning? What really does it mean, as the KJV tells it? "And [they] knew not until the flood came, and took them all away." I know you are not using the KJV, but that version shows, doesn't it, that the meaning might be a toss-up?Exactly what is it that the people "knew not"? Was it that the Flood was coming? I say, NO....they knew the Flood, or some kind of catastrophe, was coming. Noah told them all (2Peter 2:5)

How about this rendering of Matthew 24:39? "They TOOK NO NOTE until the Flood came and swept them all away."

What does that mean? That they didn't pay any attention until the Flood came .

Exactly like a crowd walking along the sidewalks, say, of NYC. A man is on the street corner talking very loudly about something. The crowd couldn't care less what he might be saying, so they all went by without taking into consideration anything he was saying. That is what "they knew not" means. They didn't listen (and/or they heard what he was saying but brushed it off as lunacy).

The 21st Century New Testament further aids my point as it says: "They were COMPLETELY UNCONCERNED until the Flood came and swept them all away."

So the people knew. We can't just ignore 2Peter 2:5, can we? The versions above that I have quoted harmonize with what Peter wrote.

[Topaz27]

onewithhim:
There are so many things wrong with what you just said, but I'll try to keep it brief.

Why would other civilizations not love Noah? According to the Bible and you, we are all decedents of Noah. That sounds pretty important. He's a common ancestor to every single person on the planet, according to your book. He's basically the new Adam. Wouldn't that be important to everyone? If all of humanity can trace their roots to Noah, you think he would be a world wide name. But he's not. And a large portion of people that do know his name, don't even think he existed. Because no one has proof that the Ark ever existed.

Why isn't there one universal flood myth, that all civilizations have?

If numerous civilizations have flood myths, why is the one with Noah correct?