Does anyone actually believe the story of Noah's Ark?
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Does anyone actually believe the story of Noah's Ark?
Post #1I know a bunch of Christians, and so many of them believe that Noah's Ark is a myth. Basically just a story to teach morals and lessons. I personally see a lot of things wrong with the story of the flood. So I was wondering, if anyone believes the story of Noah's Ark, and the world flood, to be the truth?
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Red Wolf wrote: What I find amazing is that there are 3 decks to the Ark but only one window on the top deck. With all those animals it must have stunk real bad with very little ventilation. Plus how did Noah get rid of the animal dung? Noah and his family must have been very busy hauling dung up to the window to get rid of it. Unless God caused the animals to all be constipated.....
There would have been more than enough ventilation. Did you read the post on This question?
Would the ark have had adequate ventilation ?
http://debatingchristianity.com/forum/v ... 46#p984346
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Post #233
ZOO POO: : Could Noah and his family have coped with all the poop?
Certainly. For a comparison, London Zoo has about 750 species of animals and 75 personnel to look after the approx 7 tons of poop a day. That works out to about 200 lbs a day of poop for each person. Noah and his family would have had only about half the amount of species (bigger than a sheep).
To put things in perspective, London Zoo (now Whipsnade Wild Park) has about Ten elephants; according to spokesmen from South Carolina's Riverbanks zoo, their four elephants produce 75% of their poop) Noah would have had only two of each kind; some of which may not have been fully grown. So we also take into account that Noah would have had many less individual animals than say, London Zoo, a fair estimate would be Noah and his family would have had to deal with about 2 tons a day, probably less. That's about 4000lbs of poop a day. That sounds like a lot but it would have only meant that each person would have had to deal with about 350lbs a day*
(*120lbs is about the weight of an average size woman, how long would it take for a man to pick up a sack the weight of a woman and throw it out of a window? Even if only the four men did all the heavy lifting, it wouldn't take an excessive amount of time)
If a little thought was put into the design of the boat (for example the possiblility of slanting the floors up and hosing them down and out an opening - the ark had windows/openings) then dealing with the poop was more than possible.
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http://now-here-this.timeout.com/2014/0 ... ondon-zoo/
Certainly. For a comparison, London Zoo has about 750 species of animals and 75 personnel to look after the approx 7 tons of poop a day. That works out to about 200 lbs a day of poop for each person. Noah and his family would have had only about half the amount of species (bigger than a sheep).
To put things in perspective, London Zoo (now Whipsnade Wild Park) has about Ten elephants; according to spokesmen from South Carolina's Riverbanks zoo, their four elephants produce 75% of their poop) Noah would have had only two of each kind; some of which may not have been fully grown. So we also take into account that Noah would have had many less individual animals than say, London Zoo, a fair estimate would be Noah and his family would have had to deal with about 2 tons a day, probably less. That's about 4000lbs of poop a day. That sounds like a lot but it would have only meant that each person would have had to deal with about 350lbs a day*
(*120lbs is about the weight of an average size woman, how long would it take for a man to pick up a sack the weight of a woman and throw it out of a window? Even if only the four men did all the heavy lifting, it wouldn't take an excessive amount of time)
If a little thought was put into the design of the boat (for example the possiblility of slanting the floors up and hosing them down and out an opening - the ark had windows/openings) then dealing with the poop was more than possible.
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http://now-here-this.timeout.com/2014/0 ... ondon-zoo/
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Post #234
JehovahsWitness wrote:
If a little thought was put into the design of the boat (for example the possiblility of slanting the floors up and hosing them down and out an opening - the ark had windows/openings) then dealing with the poop was more than possible.
Having an "opening" in the floor of the bottom deck would be known in common parlance as a "hole." A hole in the bottom of a boat would have the opposite effect of letting water flow out.
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Post #235
That amount of dung would result from the consumption of a massive amount of food and water. Both the food and water would also have to be delivered on a daily basis. Food and water which together would weigh even more than the dung.Red Wolf wrote: [Replying to post 231 by JehovahsWitness]
What about the work involved in hauling dung up to a window and tossing it out? Does that seem feasible to you? A lot of animals...a lot of dung...
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Post #236
Not to mention how there wasn't enough moisture in the atmosphere to cover all the land, how the fresh water mingled with salt water and how, when it all receded, how the waters returned to the respective fresh/salt states, where all the moisture when when everything returned to 'normal', etc.Tcg wrote:That amount of dung would result from the consumption of a massive amount of food and water. Both the food and water would also have to be delivered on a daily basis. Food and water which together would weigh even more than the dung.Red Wolf wrote: [Replying to post 231 by JehovahsWitness]
What about the work involved in hauling dung up to a window and tossing it out? Does that seem feasible to you? A lot of animals...a lot of dung...
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I've had similar convos with believers of this and other claims. Their last resort was always "well, if God wanted it done, it was done."
There's little to no reasoning with people when they need to believe in something.
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Post #238
Menotu wrote:
Not to mention how there wasn't enough moisture in the atmosphere to cover all the land, how the fresh water mingled with salt water and how, when it all receded, how the waters returned to the respective fresh/salt states, where all the moisture when when everything returned to 'normal', etc.
All these questions have been addressed in this very thread. Have you actually read this thread?
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Post #239
The fact that some inadequate replies have been offered doesn't mean that the questions Menotu asks have been properly addressed. Given that these questions haven't been and in fact can't be answered adequately justifies bringing them up again.JehovahsWitness wrote:Menotu wrote:
Not to mention how there wasn't enough moisture in the atmosphere to cover all the land, how the fresh water mingled with salt water and how, when it all receded, how the waters returned to the respective fresh/salt states, where all the moisture when when everything returned to 'normal', etc.
All these questions have been addressed in this very thread. Have you actually read this thread?
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- American Atheists
Not believing isn't the same as believing not.
- wiploc
I must assume that knowing is better than not knowing, venturing than not venturing; and that magic and illusion, however rich, however alluring, ultimately weaken the human spirit.
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Post #240
Is there anything from the text that supports this idea? If so, please present it.brianbbs67 wrote: Weren't the animals on the arc put into a deep sleep for most of the voyage?
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To be clear: Atheism is not a disbelief in gods or a denial of gods; it is a lack of belief in gods.
- American Atheists
Not believing isn't the same as believing not.
- wiploc
I must assume that knowing is better than not knowing, venturing than not venturing; and that magic and illusion, however rich, however alluring, ultimately weaken the human spirit.
- Irvin D. Yalom
- American Atheists
Not believing isn't the same as believing not.
- wiploc
I must assume that knowing is better than not knowing, venturing than not venturing; and that magic and illusion, however rich, however alluring, ultimately weaken the human spirit.
- Irvin D. Yalom
