What belifs make a Christain?

[Donray]

For me to ask a question in another topic I need to understand what beliefs a Christain must have to be called a Christian.

From my understanding in using this board, several online religious course, and my
knowledge on the bible I have come to the following:

There are only two beliefs that all Christians must have:

1: That Mary was a virgin and God created a baby in her.
2: Jesus was crucified and rose from bring dead.

It does matter if you think the bible is 100% true or 100% stories and myths.
It does not matter if ware magic underwear or not.
It does not matter if you are baptized or not.
It does not matter if your gay or not.
It does not matter what rituals you perform.
It does not matter if you belong to one of thousand Christain cults and main religions.
It does not matter if you pray or attend a church.

Nothing else matters.

Am I correct?

[PinSeeker]

[Replying to post 70 by Checkpoint]

Really a response to Brian's post just above. I'm not really saying anything concerning Brian here, but I think not understanding what/who Israel really is taints people's beliefs in many if not most threads that ever get started on this forum. And this seemed one of them, at least at the time I posted it...

Grace and peace to you, Checkpoint.

[brianbbs67]

God's Israel is far different than mere physical Israel -- the tiny country on the eastern end of the Great Sea. And it includes far more than mere ethnic Jews.

Grace and peace to all.

yes it does contain more than Judah. The great diaspora sent the ten tribes of Israel to the four corners of the earth from which God says He will gather them again. When I say Israel, I mean the dispersed people of the Kingdom of Israel and any of the mixed multitude which wish to sojourn.

Did you not know, Ephraim and Manaseh would father such a multitude?

[brianbbs67]

[Replying to post 70 by Checkpoint]

Really a response to Brian's post just above. I'm not really saying anything concerning Brian here, but I think not understanding what/who Israel really is taints people's beliefs in many if not most threads that ever get started on this forum. And this seemed one of them, at least at the time I posted it...

Grace and peace to you, Checkpoint.

You seem to have done exactly what you accused me of in this post.

I believe the taint is on you.

[onewithhim]

God's Israel is far different than mere physical Israel -- the tiny country on the eastern end of the Great Sea. And it includes far more than mere ethnic Jews.

Grace and peace to all.

yes it does contain more than Judah. The great diaspora sent the ten tribes of Israel to the four corners of the earth from which God says He will gather them again. When I say Israel, I mean the dispersed people of the Kingdom of Israel and any of the mixed multitude which wish to sojourn.

Did you not know, Ephraim and Manaseh would father such a multitude?

Jehovah already gathered Israel from the four corners of the earth, when the group of Israelites went back to Jerusalem from their captivity in Babylon. After that Jews from all over returned. Evangelicals have been teaching that wrong for decades. They say it is still to come, but it was already fulfilled.

Now the physical nation of Israel is not God's special possession any longer, since they rejected Christ. Why should they be God's chosen now? Peter explained that God's chosen people are now the Christian congregation. (I Peter 2:9,10) Jesus also indicated that fleshly Israel was no longer acceptable to God.

"The Kingdom of God will be taken from you and be given to a nation producing its fruits." (Matt.21:43)

"Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the killer of the prophets and stoner of those sent to her---how often I wanted to gather your children together the way a hen gathers her chicks under her wings! But you did not want it. Look! Your house is abandoned to you." (Matt.23:37,38)


Natural Israel figures no longer in the grand scheme of things. It is now the Christian congregation---"the Israel of God." (Galatians 6:15,16; 3:28,29)



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[brianbbs67]

God's Israel is far different than mere physical Israel -- the tiny country on the eastern end of the Great Sea. And it includes far more than mere ethnic Jews.

Grace and peace to all.

yes it does contain more than Judah. The great diaspora sent the ten tribes of Israel to the four corners of the earth from which God says He will gather them again. When I say Israel, I mean the dispersed people of the Kingdom of Israel and any of the mixed multitude which wish to sojourn.

Did you not know, Ephraim and Manaseh would father such a multitude?

Jehovah already gathered Israel from the four corners of the earth, when the group of Israelites went back to Jerusalem from their captivity in Babylon. After that Jews from all over returned. Evangelicals have been teaching that wrong for decades. They say it is still to come, but it was already fulfilled.

Now the physical nation of Israel is not God's special possession any longer, since they rejected Christ. Why should they be God's chosen now? Peter explained that God's chosen people are now the Christian congregation. (I Peter 2:9,10) Jesus also indicated that fleshly Israel was no longer acceptable to God.

"The Kingdom of God will be taken from you and be given to a nation producing its fruits." (Matt.21:43)

"Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the killer of the prophets and stoner of those sent to her---how often I wanted to gather your children together the way a hen gathers her chicks under her wings! But you did not want it. Look! Your house is abandoned to you." (Matt.23:37,38)


Natural Israel figures no longer in the grand scheme of things. It is now the Christian congregation---"the Israel of God." (Galatians 6:15,16; 3:28,29)



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I am not an evangelical so, I must have missed Jehovah's email on this thing. Do you not realize the tribes of Israel made the peoples of Europe and asia(to some degree) after leaving?

The Kingdom of Israel is still spread amonst the nations by their procreation and nation building. Its the fulfillment of Abram's promise from God, that he would be as numerous as the sands of the sea.

You seem to not realize that the Jews are Judah, part tribe Benjamin, the Levites and whoever else from Israel stayed. Israel is the rest of the tribes and not Jews. Most of Israels' descendants don't know that they are.

So, yes Judah returned as it willed to the COUNTRY of Isreal. Isreal, the former northern kingdom has not.

[Tcg]

Jehovah already gathered Israel from the four corners of the earth, when the group of Israelites went back to Jerusalem from their captivity in Babylon. After that Jews from all over returned. Evangelicals have been teaching that wrong for decades. They say it is still to come, but it was already fulfilled.

That's an interesting claim, however, it is not supported by facts:

• Countries with the Largest Jewish Population (2018)
  Rank Country Population% of World Jewry
  
  1
  United States
  6,925,475*
  47.7%
  
  2
  Israel
  6,744,000*
  46.2%
  
  3
  France
  453,000
  3.1%
  
  4
  Canada
  390,500
  2.7%
  
  5
  U.K.
  290,000
  2.0%
  
  https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/je ... -the-world

Of course this isn't the first time we've seen claims that are totally contradicted by facts.

Tcg

[PinSeeker]

yes it does contain more than Judah. The great diaspora sent the ten tribes of Israel to the four corners of the earth from which God says He will gather them again. When I say Israel, I mean the dispersed people of the Kingdom of Israel and any of the mixed multitude which wish to sojourn.

Did you not know, Ephraim and Manaseh would father such a multitude?

I don't mean to say that "your mind is far too small" or anything like that, but it seems your understanding on this is far, far too small. What I meant is on a much larger, infinitely higher plane than what you're saying, I think.

[Replying to post 70 by Checkpoint]

Really a response to Brian's post just above. I'm not really saying anything concerning Brian here, but I think not understanding what/who Israel really is taints people's beliefs in many if not most threads that ever get started on this forum. And this seemed one of them, at least at the time I posted it...

Grace and peace to you, Checkpoint.

You seem to have done exactly what you accused me of in this post. I believe the taint is on you.

I didn't "accuse you" of anything, Brian. I really don't even understand your line of thought in saying that.

Grace and peace to you.

[PinSeeker]

My point is that God's Israel is made up of true Jews in the sense of what Paul says at the end of Romans 2 and near the end of Romans 11 -- and in Galatians, as you say below -- far, FAR greater than just ethnic Jews, many of which are not true Jews and not part of God's Israel at all.

Natural Israel figures no longer in the grand scheme of things. It is now the Christian congregation---"the Israel of God." (Galatians 6:15,16; 3:28,29)

Well, I wouldn't say "natural Israel figures no longer in the grand scheme of things." That the physical country exists (since 1948) is not insignificant, in my opinion. But I generally agree very strongly with what you are saying.

Grace and peace to all.

[PinSeeker]

That's an interesting claim, however, it is not supported by facts...

You don't seem to understand what my "claim" is at all.

[Tcg]

That's an interesting claim, however, it is not supported by facts...

You don't seem to understand what my "claim" is at all.

Perhaps I don't. Given that I didn't address your "claim", I fail to see the relevance of your objection.


Tcg